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[Proposal] Get rid of learning implants.
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Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2011-12-02 19:16:46 UTC
Let's have more combat implants instead! More implants that actually affect the game!
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#22 - 2011-12-02 19:18:01 UTC
Nil'kandra wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool

Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now.

http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=302845
http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=302865

No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these.


Your links are broken :(
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2011-12-02 19:19:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool


cripes I don't know if you're a troll or merely an idiot

1) I don't personally care about losing implants. I can easily replace them and I routinely fly around with +4 sets (don't care to train Cybernetics V) - hell, people routinely fly around with combat implants. Aversion to loss isn't the point behind this thread. It's an issue that affects newbies with limited sources of income.
2) This isn't even about losing implants, it's about "Sorry guys I jumped back to my empire +5 clone so I can't play eve online with you" and "seriously what the hell is the point of learning implants"
3) Nullsec and wormhole residents are at a serious disadvantage over those in highsec (or even lowsec) who are virtually immune to losing pods if they are paying attention and fairly quick on the "warp out" button. You can comfortably do things in empire with your implants - nobody would say the same about nullsec.

Take your "nullbear" bullshit elsewhere, thanks.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Nil'kandra
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2011-12-02 19:19:59 UTC
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Nil'kandra wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool

Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now.

http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=302845
http://kb.pleaseignore.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=302865

No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these.


Your links are broken :(

Yeah I fixed them. EVE-O forums seems to turn an "&" into an "&" when redirecting.
Goose99
#25 - 2011-12-02 19:20:21 UTC
Nil'kandra wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool

Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now.

http://tinyurl.com/butod8t (Full slave set, 1.0 space)
http://tinyurl.com/c76wqvu (nearly a full set of +5s, also 1.0 space)

No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these.

Edit to fix terrible link issue.


Oh noez, you can gank naked pods.Pirate
thetwilitehour
Caldari Provisions
#26 - 2011-12-02 19:21:13 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool


Do you not understand that we are proposing additional implants to exist, simply not learning ones? I think you need an implant in real life.
Goose99
#27 - 2011-12-02 19:21:38 UTC
Andski wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool


rageX


Can't take the heat? Don't go into the kitchen.Lol
Nil'kandra
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-12-02 19:22:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Nil'kandra
Goose99 wrote:
Nil'kandra wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool

Don't worry. We're spreading the joy with carebears now.

http://tinyurl.com/butod8t (Full slave set, 1.0 space)
http://tinyurl.com/c76wqvu (nearly a full set of +5s, also 1.0 space)

No need for wartargets, here. I'm even paying out bounties for delicious KMs like these.

Edit to fix terrible link issue.


Oh noez, you can gank naked pods.Pirate

Losing three billion in implants in 1.0 space.

Working as intended.

EDIT: Whoops, forgot my smugglasses. Cool
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2011-12-02 19:23:42 UTC
Just ignore the alt-posting threadshitters and this discussion will be ~dandy~

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Goose99
#30 - 2011-12-02 19:25:12 UTC
thetwilitehour wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool


Do you not understand that we are proposing additional implants to exist, simply not learning ones?Cry


Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.Bear
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#31 - 2011-12-02 19:26:10 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
thetwilitehour wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool


Do you not understand that we are proposing additional implants to exist, simply not learning ones?Cry


Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.Bear


Post from your main and I'll play ball. Until then, nope.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Nil'kandra
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2011-12-02 19:27:09 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
thetwilitehour wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool


Do you not understand that we are proposing additional implants to exist, simply not learning ones?Cry


Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.Bear

Here I thought I established that one need not live in null to suffer these particular consequences.

Selective bias is the best kind of bias.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2011-12-02 19:31:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Nil'kandra wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
thetwilitehour wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Andski wrote:
butthurtOops


This is just a nullbear whine. Bubbles are dangerous, you lose your implants. Working as intended.Cool


Do you not understand that we are proposing additional implants to exist, simply not learning ones?Cry


Yes, certain implants should be more special to others. Learning is sacred, and should not be lost just because I choose to live in null. I want the benefits of null, but not consequences.Bear

Here I thought I established that one need not live in null to suffer these particular consequences.

Selective bias is the best kind of bias.


It's this mentality that everyone in nullsec mines and run sanctums 23/7 in cynojammed systems with 250km of bubbles on every gate. It's ultimately misguided, but hilarious in any case.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Emperor Salazar
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#34 - 2011-12-02 19:33:15 UTC
Pod ganking thrashers are Test reimbursable now c/d?
RockyID
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2011-12-02 20:18:11 UTC
Learning implants discourage playing the game ("having fun") and instead turn it into a paint drying simulator where players are discouraged from going out on that enjoyable destroyer op because "noo my +5s".
Max Von Sydow
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2011-12-02 20:36:42 UTC
This reminds me of an old thread that had a fairly interesting proposal on how to fix this problem.

The idea was more or less to have learning boosters that temporarily (maybe 24h) give you a boost in an attribute, each taking a different booster slot, each giving a bonus in a different attribute, coming in different grades ranging from +1 boosts to +5 boosts.
These implants would not stack with implants so if you already have implants the boosters wouldn't do anything, unless the booster effect is higher than the implants. So if you have +3 implants and inject a +4 booster you will have a +4 bonus for the duration of the booster.
I personally liked this idea since it mean that I for a small cost can PvP without losing training time and not having to risk my learning implants, while at the same time having the drawback that I would have to spend some extra isk each time I want to PvP.
Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-12-02 20:53:59 UTC
Why are people so desperate to cling to the restrictions that learning attributes and implants give us?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2011-12-02 20:56:34 UTC
I like the learning booster replacement. A lot.
Malice Asaekkiga
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2011-12-02 21:09:34 UTC
Supported.

Learning implants are definitely a barrier to flying in space. I've seen it a thousand times. I've even done it myself when I was a newbie and isk-poor.

While you're at it, get rid of neural remaps. I don't want to hear "I can't train up battlecruisers/battleships/whatever for another X months because I am on my super-optimized int/mem map for int/mem support skills!" ever again. There's a lot of newbies denying themselves fun ships to fly because they're obsessed with optimized training times. But thats another issue.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#40 - 2011-12-02 21:23:32 UTC
hell, while we're at it, let's take out the learning queue

learning skills are optional.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia