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Amarr needs overhaul

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Maroxus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#81 - 2011-12-02 18:51:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Maroxus
Hellen Kurvora wrote:

I get your point, man, I really do. I know Amarr are bad solo, but I don't see how they are that great in a fleet either. So scorch gives them decent range. Caldari missle boats have twice the range and at scorch range aren't doing much difference in terms of dps. Well I mean flight time does hurt the dps a bit, but its still pretty similar.

Lets put it this way, Harby gets about 21km with scorch, doing about xray damage. Blaster ferox with long range t2 ammo gets about 15ish km and does comparible damage. Gallente can hit at about 11 or 12 with long range ammo but do more damage than scorch at that range by far. I don't see how amarr is doing much thats better. Scorch gets decent range, but the damage is not that great due to the damage type.

the only way I can see amarr ships being useful is to have 10 baddons warp in using scorch to alpha ****. But if thats the only way to make use of their ships, thats pretty limited as far as playing goes


SonofaB****

You didn't even check did you? A Ferox with Neutron blasters using Null ammo cannot get past 10km optimal without sacrificing ehp/tank or dps by using rigs, TE, or TCs. Oh and the Harbinger using Focused Medium Pulse with Scorch still out-dps a Neutron Blaster Ferox using Null. I use Focused since Heavy was always a pain to fit for me when I used Harbs in lowsec. The smallest pulse turret vs the largest blaster turret on the cruiser level. Don't even think that the range bonus from Caldari Hybrid ships on Blasters compares to Pulse lasers.

Unless you must be talking about Iron ammo? Oh yeah its comparable with an amazing 210 dps using CN Iron at 11km range using Neutrons and 3x magstabs. Adding rigs bring to the awesome level of 225.

Edit: Cleared a few things.

I know Heavy missiles provide too much of a good range at decent dps. They should be nerfed, but not before Caldari hybrid ships get worked on.
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
#82 - 2011-12-02 18:54:32 UTC
The whole game needs an overhaul.

Lili Lu
#83 - 2011-12-02 19:05:03 UTC
Well Helen. You remind me of Naomi Knight. An off racial noob corp posting alt of someone who thinks their race is shat upon by CCP for what reason other than to make your play time miserable I guess. Instead of an Amarr that is always posting for buffs to Caldari and nerfs to everyone else, here we have you, an apparently dogged caldari posting alt of someone crying for a buff to amarr and/or nerf to everyone else.

I started as Amarr in 2006. Amarr was real **** then (if you think it is bad now . . .). They did some buffs, changed some ships, and meanwhile other things have changed in the game as well. Amarr is doing pretty well atm. No lack of Amarr representation in pvp now.

So is it that you have discovered that an amarr BS is a slow ponderous thing? That plates basically weigh you down? Did you not perceive these things going in? Minmatar has a bad armor profile, and weak sensor strength. Gallente are expected to dive in close but armor tank while doing so. Caldari are always complaining about delayed damage from missiles. Pretty much noone is entirely happy with the stats in one race. This is as it should be. If someone was entirely happy they would definitiely be "winning" and every other race would be shite.

I don't know what to tell you. I'm not going to engage in minutia arguments about particular ships. Sorry. All you have to do is look at the pvp representation on Evesco or whatever killboard you want. Amarr is not underrepresented. If I had to guess it would be Gallente the least represented. Interesting in that when I started in 2006 they were on top. And with the new hybrid buff they could be again, despite their whines that it was not enough.

Basically You can't have everything you want. Noone can. But, if you want fast, relatively cap care free ships you probably should train Minmatar. Afterall that is their bag in this game. Or you can find the few Amarr ships that can be adapted to your preferred play style. If you do go Minmatar you will discover they are not all that.

Every character in this game should crosstrain. Having at least two races of ships to choose from is the best insurance from nerfs and being stuck in the suck. Eventually you will have a better appreciation for what remains of the racial differences and the difficulty of balancing. Laters.
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#84 - 2011-12-02 19:07:35 UTC
Hellen you are clearly a troll. Denying things as obvious as the sky being blue shows us this.

Apparently not many competent PvPers post on the Eve forums. Back to FHC for me.

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Liam Mirren
#85 - 2011-12-02 19:11:59 UTC
Gnidex wrote:
Check the base shield/armor damage statistics. It seems that lasers do half the base damage to armor when compared to shields and that is, imho, the biggest drawback when it comes to these lovely beams of death.


Those shield/armor numbers you see in info do nothing, they have no meaning other than "this is what you'll do based on average resists". Ignore them.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#86 - 2011-12-02 19:16:46 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Does anyone else agree with me?



I...uh.... I'm sorry.

How do you fit anything in those front pockets?
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2011-12-02 19:22:49 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Basically You can't have everything you want. Noone can.


With Minnie ships I can do PvP, I can do PvE without any problem.
With Gallente ships I can do PvP since they are much better now, I can also do PvE using Domi, Mega, Vexor, Ishtar (<3 this ship) and many others.
With Caldari I can do PvP, yes there 3-4 viable ships you can fly, and I can do PvE! Everyone knows what is PvE on a caldari boat. (Still I do think minnie ships are still better at pve)
And finally Amarr! With Amarr ships I can do PvP but some ships req. AC skills so I can perform much better if I don't want to die. Aaand I can't do PvE as effective as any other race. Yes, it takes ages to kill Guristas or Angels ships even by using Nightmare with perfect Gunnery skills.

I think you made a typo in "Basically You can't have everything you want. Noone can."
I guess you wanted to say: "Basically Amarr can't have everything you want. Other races can"

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Liam Mirren
#88 - 2011-12-02 19:26:31 UTC
Fix My Lasers wrote:
I'm a moron


Yup.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Fearless M0F0
Incursion PWNAGE Asc
#89 - 2011-12-02 19:35:47 UTC
Amarr overhaul?, are you serious? Shocked

Gimme a favor and try fitting / flying some Gallente boats before complaining about Amarr Roll
Bane Loppknow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2011-12-02 19:56:31 UTC
Armor tanking in general needs an overhaul, but Amarr specifically is fine. I'm looking forward to our new shiny (v3 is the term I believe) ships!