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Josef Djugashvilis
#81 - 2014-05-04 16:08:33 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Our ballot gets more effective each year coordinating with other groups.

Its almost like learning from the past and adapting behavior for optimal results is a good thing.
Or you could just shoot at rocks under concord protection all day and hope the bleating gets you something.


Or you could spam the forms and hope your bleating gets you something.

Oh the goons do that already Smile

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Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2014-05-04 16:21:28 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Our ballot gets more effective each year coordinating with other groups.

Its almost like learning from the past and adapting behavior for optimal results is a good thing.
Or you could just shoot at rocks under concord protection all day and hope the bleating gets you something.


Or you could spam the forms and hope your bleating gets you something.

Oh the goons do that already Smile


Looks like one of our behaviors is working too eh?

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
Rote Kapelle
#83 - 2014-05-04 16:35:49 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

if you want it to be less null-centric, maybe the people outside of null sec should vote more. you know, democracy and all.


I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!


Goonswarm and the CFC comprise some 30,000-odd votes. This is just a ballpark number, but hopefully it gives you an idea of why you, everyone you know, and your alts (which probably comes to no more than 500 votes, and that's being generous) aren't really passing muster when it comes to highsec being "organized." And additionally, you'd need to have a ballot that was filled up; if you had one hisec messiah to vote for and that's it, guess what? You'd have one hisec carebear messiah on the CSM, and the rest of the election results would go the same as they did this time.

So, if you actually want to change the general election results, you'd have to

- Get organized. Hisec has a huge theoretical player base.
- Get motivated. You need a lot of candidates to replace the ones you don't like, which means a lot of people willing to invest time into the game.

Of course, neither of these will actually happen. Most bears live in hisec so that they DON'T have to coordinate with other players or be particularly motivated about anything in the game. Just don't be surprised that the organized and motivated groups tend to come out on top.

"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2014-05-04 16:41:41 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

if you want it to be less null-centric, maybe the people outside of null sec should vote more. you know, democracy and all.


I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!


Goonswarm and the CFC comprise some 30,000-odd votes. This is just a ballpark number, but hopefully it gives you an idea of why you, everyone you know, and your alts (which probably comes to no more than 500 votes, and that's being generous) aren't really passing muster when it comes to highsec being "organized." And additionally, you'd need to have a ballot that was filled up; if you had one hisec messiah to vote for and that's it, guess what? You'd have one hisec carebear messiah on the CSM, and the rest of the election results would go the same as they did this time.

So, if you actually want to change the general election results, you'd have to

- Get organized. Hisec has a huge theoretical player base.
- Get motivated. You need a lot of candidates to replace the ones you don't like, which means a lot of people willing to invest time into the game.

Of course, neither of these will actually happen. Most bears live in hisec so that they DON'T have to coordinate with other players or be particularly motivated about anything in the game. Just don't be surprised that the organized and motivated groups tend to come out on top.


You can lead the pubbies to water which they will not drink. Or you can let them die of thirst and use their corpses for your garden.

I tried the former at first too.

Leader of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal.

Creator of Burn Jita

Vile Rat: You're the greatest sociopath that has ever played eve.
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2014-05-04 16:45:52 UTC
Galen Darksmith wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

if you want it to be less null-centric, maybe the people outside of null sec should vote more. you know, democracy and all.


I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!


Goonswarm and the CFC comprise some 30,000-odd votes. This is just a ballpark number, but hopefully it gives you an idea of why you, everyone you know, and your alts (which probably comes to no more than 500 votes, and that's being generous) aren't really passing muster when it comes to highsec being "organized." And additionally, you'd need to have a ballot that was filled up; if you had one hisec messiah to vote for and that's it, guess what? You'd have one hisec carebear messiah on the CSM, and the rest of the election results would go the same as they did this time.

So, if you actually want to change the general election results, you'd have to

- Get organized. Hisec has a huge theoretical player base.
- Get motivated. You need a lot of candidates to replace the ones you don't like, which means a lot of people willing to invest time into the game.

Of course, neither of these will actually happen. Most bears live in hisec so that they DON'T have to coordinate with other players or be particularly motivated about anything in the game. Just don't be surprised that the organized and motivated groups tend to come out on top.

Or just let us handle things. Everything we advocate for is better for the game as a whole.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
Dave stark
#86 - 2014-05-04 16:49:46 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

if you want it to be less null-centric, maybe the people outside of null sec should vote more. you know, democracy and all.


I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!


great, you and your buddy didn't vote for goons.

alternatively the rest of us just voted for people who would just make good CSM candidates. look at this year's line up, the null sec candidates were the best candidates. not to mention, now we've actually got to vote for a list of 14 people, it promotes apathy. I personally voted for less than half of my ballot because there literally weren't any candidates worthy of a vote, even just to fill up my list. then i didn't bother voting on my alts, because i just didn't care enough with such a ****** lineup.

regardless of the apathy, in game affiliations really have little to nothing to do with the quality of some one as a csm candidate. i'd vote for mynnna every time because i sincerely think he's one of the best csm candidates going. i sincerely doubt there are 14 people i'd rather vote for than him, let alone having all 14 of them actually running.
Josef Djugashvilis
#87 - 2014-05-04 18:01:08 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Our ballot gets more effective each year coordinating with other groups.

Its almost like learning from the past and adapting behavior for optimal results is a good thing.
Or you could just shoot at rocks under concord protection all day and hope the bleating gets you something.


Or you could spam the forms and hope your bleating gets you something.

Oh the goons do that already Smile


Looks like one of our behaviors is working too eh?


Enlighten me, what have the goons 'persuaded' CCP' to do, that they would not have otherwise done?

I suspect that goons try to take credit where none is due.

This is not a signature.
Serene Repose
#88 - 2014-05-04 18:03:49 UTC
Nevah hoid uvvem. So, what else is new?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2014-05-04 18:46:48 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

if you want it to be less null-centric, maybe the people outside of null sec should vote more. you know, democracy and all.


I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!


The tinfoil in this post is several meters thick and reinforced with even more tinfoil.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-05-04 18:47:38 UTC  |  Edited by: La Nariz
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Our ballot gets more effective each year coordinating with other groups.

Its almost like learning from the past and adapting behavior for optimal results is a good thing.
Or you could just shoot at rocks under concord protection all day and hope the bleating gets you something.


Or you could spam the forms and hope your bleating gets you something.

Oh the goons do that already Smile


You pubbies started it, you should have known better than to start a forum war against a forum community.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#91 - 2014-05-04 19:40:18 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Aryth wrote:
Our ballot gets more effective each year coordinating with other groups.

Its almost like learning from the past and adapting behavior for optimal results is a good thing.
Or you could just shoot at rocks under concord protection all day and hope the bleating gets you something.


Or you could spam the forms and hope your bleating gets you something.

Oh the goons do that already Smile


You pubbies started it, you should have known better than to start a forum war against a forum community.


Hey mom. it was him wot stared it not me Shocked

This is not a signature.
Dave stark
#92 - 2014-05-04 20:07:44 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

if you want it to be less null-centric, maybe the people outside of null sec should vote more. you know, democracy and all.


I really wish voting was monitored by a third party. I do vote, everyone I know votes, all our alts vote, and not one of them voted for a single goon. Granted, that's hardly proof, and frankly I'm eternally suspicious of CCP since they regularly manipulate the sandbox, then claim necessity or pretend it was an accident, and alternatively admit/deny their association with major alliances, who typically directly benefit from CCP actions and/or foreknowledge of CCP plans that the rest of us are not privy to.

CSM minutes? Sure, once everything in them are long over. New pirate ships? Yes, available everywhere, but cheaper for Goonswarm! Elections? All goon votes count double. and their serfs better vote their way if they know what's good for them!


The tinfoil in this post is several meters thick and reinforced with even more tinfoil.


so... don't stick it in the microwave?
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#93 - 2014-05-04 21:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
La Nariz wrote:

You pubbies started it, you should have known better than to start a forum war against a forum community.


Time for a quick history lesson:

The ONLY alliance to ever bring down the forum by spamming threads until the forum software died? Goonswarm.


Now, you were saying?

Rhes wrote:

Or just let us handle things. Everything we advocate for is better for goonswarm as a whole.


Fixed.

The simple solution would be for one vote per player, as opposed to one vote per account.
Pubbie Spy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-05-04 22:14:07 UTC
Rhes wrote:

Or just let us handle things. Everything we advocate for is better for the game as a whole.


Surprisingly, this is actually true most of the time.
Pubbie Spy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-05-04 22:15:45 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

Enlighten me, what have the goons 'persuaded' CCP' to do, that they would not have otherwise done?

I suspect that goons try to take credit where none is due.


We find an overpowered or exploitable game mechanic. :ccp: keeps ignoring the problem. We run that **** into the ground and smugpost about it on the forum and our CSMs tell :ccp: to fix it. :ccp: fixes it and predictably takes our stuff away.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#96 - 2014-05-04 22:30:18 UTC
Lol my old CEO and corp founder is in CSM now. Who would have seen that coming?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#97 - 2014-05-04 22:33:04 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Lol my old CEO and corp founder is in CSM now. Who would have seen that coming?




*sigh*

I'll bite. Which one?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#98 - 2014-05-04 22:39:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Pubbie Spy wrote:
Rhes wrote:

Or just let us handle things. Everything we advocate for is better for the game as a whole.


Surprisingly, this is actually true most of the time.



There are occasional agree with goonswarms position, goons will be the death of eve.

Two basic reasons for this:

One, eve requires conflict. Any sufficiently large alliance has a chilling effect on large scale conflict, no matter how PvP oriented, simply by nature. The bigger and more obviously favored the alliance and it's assorted hangers on are, the fewer competitors will attempt to confront them.

Eve would be better served if alliances were hard limited at about 500 characters. It would only delay things, but it would hamper the rise of the sort of super alliances we see in other servers, and that goonswarm and it's allies are gradually evolving into

Eventually it reaches a point where the only scenario in which a viable adversary comes along is something like happened in China where the super alliance splits due to internal drama.

The second reason is that goons generally have an 'Us vs Them' view of High sec, and promote a agenda to pretty much nerf high sec into non existance. The reality is for Eve to continue to flourish and attract new players, both areas have to be developed equally. The basic truth is that players quit rather than change their play styles when a game tries to force it on them, and CCP needs income. So high sec needs love just as much as null does in order for the game to continue to be developed. You can claim that eve is better off without those players, but CCP is not better off without that subscription money.

A lot of people might diss Dinsdale, but the overarching tendency to favor nullsec more and more is getting pretty marked, and it's going to eventually reach a tipping point where people start unsubbing. Maybe not all at once or right away, and I can't say if his numbers are right, but think on this: server concurrency has been stagnate for some time, reguardless of subscription numbers. Worse, in the same stretch, other games concurrency have been increasing.

Hell, TOR has even made bigger gains, percentage wise.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#99 - 2014-05-04 22:46:45 UTC
Incidentally to save you Moaning Myrtles the trouble of actually clicking a button, I have reported the above post to ISD for lack of respect towards other forums users. Consider it my last act on your behalf as a player rep.

I.

Plead.

Guilty.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#100 - 2014-05-04 22:47:43 UTC
Did... did he just make a Harry Potter reference?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.