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The Ultimate Solution to the T2 BPO Problem Announced by CCP

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#121 - 2014-05-04 11:13:46 UTC
I don't care who loses what. As long as I keep everything...
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#122 - 2014-05-04 11:18:34 UTC
I expect the T2 BPO's will be removed when the method for Invention is reworked - probably in the winter 2014 update. I don't know how many pilots own T2 BPO's but it's going to be a relatively small percentage of the playerbase. Far less people upset than the change to DUST 514 induced and CCP didn't seem to reluctant to commit to that change.

As to compensation rates I would suggest the following:

Pilots who were original owners of T2 BPO and have held them since receiving them : No compensation.

Pilots who have bought T2 BPO from other pilots : PLEX to the value of 10 billion ISK per T2 BPO at time of change.

An alternative to this would be to remedy the situation where T2 BPC from invention come out at -4/-4 to make the production difference less wasteful and level out the playing field. It would probably be better to make a clean slate though and just remove the T2 BPO once and for all.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#123 - 2014-05-04 11:51:52 UTC
BrundleMeth wrote:
I don't care who loses what. As long as I keep everything...

what an uncanny resemblance

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Pubbie Spy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#124 - 2014-05-04 11:53:34 UTC
Aluka 7th wrote:
I find it funny that Goon starts the thread of T2 BPO sky falling thus crashing the price of those BPOs and then other Goons buy now cheaper T2 BPOs which are strategical item for their 0.0 alliance.

Good job! Nice timing considering that in summer expansion T2 BPOs are getting boosted!


Based on facts in dev blogs:
- T2 BPO will get faster copy time so no need to risk it in 0.0 you can just bring copies to 0.0 and keep it in highsec
- Invented BPOs with ME -1, -2, -3, ... are getting worse regarding materials because of new base material level for multiplying with ME will be 1.1111x higher
- new cost structure (teams, tax, installation cost) will raise the cost of invention making T2 BPO more profitable.
- T2 BPO which mostly have ME and PE higher then 10 will now be perfect in new system thus having material cost reduced even more.

You guys are the kings of manipulation! o7


o7m8n9 fellow capsuleer!

If you seriously believe that we produce a meaningful percentage of the ships and modules we lose every day ourselves, I have cheap beachfront property in San Francisco to sell to you!
Aryth
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#125 - 2014-05-04 13:13:22 UTC
Fanfest Industry Panel

Go to 3:40:40

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Big Lynx
#126 - 2014-05-04 13:25:22 UTC
Aryth wrote:
Fanfest Industry Panel

Go to 3:40:40


thanks but i dont pay $20 for that. xD
Aluka 7th
#127 - 2014-05-04 13:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Aluka 7th
Pubbie Spy wrote:
Aluka 7th wrote:
I find it funny that Goon starts the thread of T2 BPO sky falling thus crashing the price of those BPOs and then other Goons buy now cheaper T2 BPOs which are strategical item for their 0.0 alliance.

Good job! Nice timing considering that in summer expansion T2 BPOs are getting boosted!


Based on facts in dev blogs:
- T2 BPO will get faster copy time so no need to risk it in 0.0 you can just bring copies to 0.0 and keep it in highsec
- Invented BPOs with ME -1, -2, -3, ... are getting worse regarding materials because of new base material level for multiplying with ME will be 1.1111x higher
- new cost structure (teams, tax, installation cost) will raise the cost of invention making T2 BPO more profitable.
- T2 BPO which mostly have ME and PE higher then 10 will now be perfect in new system thus having material cost reduced even more.

You guys are the kings of manipulation! o7


o7m8n9 fellow capsuleer!

If you seriously believe that we produce a meaningful percentage of the ships and modules we lose every day ourselves, I have cheap beachfront property in San Francisco to sell to you!


Depends on the item, some items like command ships or recons are dominated by BPO and those you produce all/most from BPOs, modules you produce with invention. I agree with you that in most cases BPOs are not influencing the invention because of well known psc/day limitation which most of whiners on forums blatantly ignore.
http://k162space.com/2012/07/17/percentage-of-items-from-invention-vs-tech-2-bpo/

IMHO owning as much BPOs as you (Goons) can reduces your risk of not having enough invented BPCs, reduces the load on "limited" amounts of T2 materials and allows you to have more ships from faster manufacturing. If with couple of "OMG THEY ARE NERFING T2 BPOs" posts that Goons write, you manage to crash prices by 50% then you quite easily save a pile of ISKies and your trillions will buy twice as much T2 BPOs at the end of the day making you stronger as alliance.

You guys are awesome! Respect.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2014-05-04 14:00:52 UTC
Aluka 7th wrote:
Pubbie Spy wrote:
Aluka 7th wrote:
I find it funny that Goon starts the thread of T2 BPO sky falling thus crashing the price of those BPOs and then other Goons buy now cheaper T2 BPOs which are strategical item for their 0.0 alliance.

Good job! Nice timing considering that in summer expansion T2 BPOs are getting boosted!


Based on facts in dev blogs:
- T2 BPO will get faster copy time so no need to risk it in 0.0 you can just bring copies to 0.0 and keep it in highsec
- Invented BPOs with ME -1, -2, -3, ... are getting worse regarding materials because of new base material level for multiplying with ME will be 1.1111x higher
- new cost structure (teams, tax, installation cost) will raise the cost of invention making T2 BPO more profitable.
- T2 BPO which mostly have ME and PE higher then 10 will now be perfect in new system thus having material cost reduced even more.

You guys are the kings of manipulation! o7


o7m8n9 fellow capsuleer!

If you seriously believe that we produce a meaningful percentage of the ships and modules we lose every day ourselves, I have cheap beachfront property in San Francisco to sell to you!


Depends on the item, some items like command ships or recons are dominated by BPO and those you produce all/most from BPOs, modules you produce with invention. I agree with you that in most cases BPOs are not influencing the invention because of well known psc/day limitation which most of whiners on forums blatantly ignore.
http://k162space.com/2012/07/17/percentage-of-items-from-invention-vs-tech-2-bpo/

IMHO owning as much BPOs as you (Goons) can reduces your risk of not having enough invented BPCs, reduces the load on "limited" amounts of T2 materials and allows you to have more ships from faster manufacturing. If with couple of "OMG THEY ARE NERFING T2 BPOs" posts that Goons write, you manage to crash prices by 50% then you quite easily save a pile of ISKies and your trillions will buy twice as much T2 BPOs at the end of the day making you stronger as alliance.

You guys are awesome! Respect.

whats funny, is they arent owned all by goons, and most of them (for a nominal fee) would be mroe than happy to part with a T2 BPO.

Know why? because it takes YEARS to make up the investment people have put into purchasing a T2 BPO from another person, whereas it takes at most a couple weeks to start beign profitable with invention.

People who want T2 BPO's completely removed and deleted, are often times the ones who want SP resets, safer highsec, and all manner of things simply because they dont have it, and feel entitled to everything everyone else has.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#129 - 2014-05-04 14:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Brewlar Kuvakei
T2BPO's will be reimbursed for the research points they were traded for. If players traded them for ISK then that is their problem they were worth a limited amount of research points and that is what you are getting when they are removed. Any value prescribed over the research points was player speculation and anyone bitter about failed speculations should HTFU!

Enjoy,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zSQNl4V_R88#t=4

and so ends the saddest chapter in EVE, T2BPO's stood for everything that EVE does not.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#130 - 2014-05-04 14:13:49 UTC
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
T2BPO's will be reimbursed for the research points they were traded for. If players traded them for ISK then that is their problem they were worth a limited amount of research points and that is what you are getting when they are removed. Any value prescribed over the research points was player speculation and anyone bitter about failed speculations should HTFU!



LOL.

Good luck with your misinformation campaign.



☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Adunh Slavy
#131 - 2014-05-04 14:45:14 UTC
If they will remove them or not, who knows.

How to do it in a fair way ... what about this:

Take the last known sale price of the BPO and divide it by the average sale price of the item in question, and use the result, rounded up to the nearest integer, as the number of runs on a BPC.

The owner will, over time, regain what ISK they used to purchase the BPO. Where he 'looses', but not really, is the removal of the old profit margin, supplanted by a new profit margin.

So for instance, tech 2 widgets sell for 50 million, and the BPO's last sale price was one billion. So the BPO owner gets a 20 run BPC with all of the BPOs most recent ME/PE values.

The owner builds and sells his 20 widgets, he gets back his billion. His new profit margin is built upon two things: The reduction in available 'runs' of the item, a source of unlimited runs is removed, basic supply and demand. And the BPO owner likely had a researched BPO, or at worst a BPO with out negative ME and PE, which is better than invented BPCs.

The variable here is, how much does the profit margin change when the BPO's unlimited runs is removed. It certainly won't be negative.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#132 - 2014-05-04 15:39:16 UTC
People are suckers. The reason so many of you are poor is because you're afraid to take risks. How many of you were actually present when greyscale said this?

Guys some of the BPO's will be brought inline that is all. Now pardon me as I trade this **** into oblivion.
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#133 - 2014-05-04 17:19:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Collectible stuff. Not an actual asset.



Mines would like a word with you.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#134 - 2014-05-04 17:38:04 UTC
When and how T II BPO's will be removed and if, how or in what form owners will be compensated is not known. CCP will make that information public if and when they decide it is time to do so. Until then, any thread on it can only be based on speculation. Hence, thread locked.

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