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Summer Patch nerfs T2 BPOs?

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Apelacja
Sad Najwyzszy
#41 - 2014-04-30 09:11:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Apelacja
Summer patch is a boost to t2 bpo`s if i knew it will be like that i will invest into them:/..

Price for coppy and ivention is equal to 4-5% for coppy and 5-6 %for invention. t1 product is ( depends what u are doing) 4-10 times cheaper then t2 so it is marginal but 5-6 % for invention will be quite painfull.

Of course depends what u invent :P and how many runs for coppy u need. in some cases it can be also a meaningfull factor.
Kun'ii Zenya
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2014-04-30 20:20:38 UTC
Apelacja wrote:
Summer patch is a boost to t2 bpo`s if i knew it will be like that i will invest into them:/..

Price for coppy and ivention is equal to 4-5% for coppy and 5-6 %for invention. t1 product is ( depends what u are doing) 4-10 times cheaper then t2 so it is marginal but 5-6 % for invention will be quite painfull.

Of course depends what u invent :P and how many runs for coppy u need. in some cases it can be also a meaningfull factor.



How do you know this, there are no static numbers so I find your claims rather dubious.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#43 - 2014-05-01 23:20:27 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
There is also the matter of location, is there not? A T2 BPO holder could find their favorite station is now too expensive after the patch and changes to build cost per station line. I would imagine this could necessitate a choice of moving a very high value item to a new station which puts it at great risk.

Moving t2 bpo's in high sec is risk free. I do it all the time.

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Nerriana
Avanto
Hole Control
#44 - 2014-05-03 15:19:53 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:
Gilbaron wrote:
if i had a T2 BPO i would build in a nullsec outpost. moving T2 BPOs through nullsec is much safer than moving them through high :)


Apparently you've never experienced a good nullsec gatecamp with cans and drones every ten meters. I assure you when the system loads and you see all that red you'll be crying for highsec nomatter what your warp strength is. In highsec you have Concord which actually counts for a lot.


And apparently you have never heard of item called "jump drive", which allows you to bypass all those gatecamps.
Scratchy Nutz
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-05-03 16:01:35 UTC
Seems after today's industry QA, T2 BPOs are gonna be more collectors items and wont bring a significant advantage to invention anymore.
Gamer4liff
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#46 - 2014-05-03 16:26:01 UTC
Scratchy Nutz wrote:
Seems after today's industry QA, T2 BPOs are gonna be more collectors items and wont bring a significant advantage to invention anymore.

Can you expand on this? I wasn't awake yet, but I heard that this was said in regards to some complaining guy, and it wasn't a solid thing. It was also said in one of the devblog comment threads that they have no plans on T2 BPOs.

A comprehensive proposal for balancing T2 Production: here
gas guzzler
i'm from the government and i'm here to help
#47 - 2014-05-03 17:06:21 UTC
Gamer4liff wrote:
Scratchy Nutz wrote:
Seems after today's industry QA, T2 BPOs are gonna be more collectors items and wont bring a significant advantage to invention anymore.

Can you expand on this? I wasn't awake yet, but I heard that this was said in regards to some complaining guy, and it wasn't a solid thing. It was also said in one of the devblog comment threads that they have no plans on T2 BPOs.


Yeah from what i understand T2 BPOs are getting a huge buff vis a vi the increased cost to run invention jobs and the increase in materials required to build from an invented copy. ME -4 now applies to "other materials"
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-05-03 17:44:36 UTC
Gamer4liff wrote:
Scratchy Nutz wrote:
Seems after today's industry QA, T2 BPOs are gonna be more collectors items and wont bring a significant advantage to invention anymore.

Can you expand on this? I wasn't awake yet, but I heard that this was said in regards to some complaining guy, and it wasn't a solid thing. It was also said in one of the devblog comment threads that they have no plans on T2 BPOs.


They said in the dev blog comments they had no solid plans yet, but that they were on the radar.

The comment earlier today was (paraphrased) "We woudn't just take take [T2 BPOs] away."
I didn't catch all of the discussion which lead up to that though, was trying to make lunch without missing too much. Hopefully the youtube videos will be up soon (or is there someone here with the HD stream who can check back and see exactly what was said)
Apelacja
Sad Najwyzszy
#49 - 2014-05-03 19:11:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Apelacja
Kun'ii Zenya wrote:
Apelacja wrote:
Summer patch is a boost to t2 bpo`s if i knew it will be like that i will invest into them:/..

Price for coppy and ivention is equal to 4-5% for coppy and 5-6 %for invention. t1 product is ( depends what u are doing) 4-10 times cheaper then t2 so it is marginal but 5-6 % for invention will be quite painfull.

Of course depends what u invent :P and how many runs for coppy u need. in some cases it can be also a meaningfull factor.



How do you know this, there are no static numbers so I find your claims rather dubious.



there was a spreadsheet of job prices anounced by CCP on forum in one of the topics.

Personally i make JF`es and i think in that case i will be pushed to move to null.

Ps. CCP have plans to T2 bpos for last 5 years....but somehow they never changed it. I doubt that there will be any nerfes as far nothing was mentioned till now. Only some rumors working on wishing way
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-05-03 19:37:47 UTC
Gamer4liff wrote:
Scratchy Nutz wrote:
Seems after today's industry QA, T2 BPOs are gonna be more collectors items and wont bring a significant advantage to invention anymore.

Can you expand on this? I wasn't awake yet, but I heard that this was said in regards to some complaining guy, and it wasn't a solid thing. It was also said in one of the devblog comment threads that they have no plans on T2 BPOs.


A guy was bitching that his T2 BPO lost 20% of its value due to impending research changes and CCP Greyscale responded that it will eventually lose all its value.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#51 - 2014-05-03 19:46:05 UTC
Paraphrased:
"We need to do somthing about T2 BPOs. We've known this for a while. We're not sure what to do. We won't do anything without notice"



(T2 BPOs aren't currently a problem. But with rebalancing, the dynamic changes. how much needs investigation, after we get final numbers. Like for copying in fully upgraded Gallente Outposts)

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gas guzzler
i'm from the government and i'm here to help
#52 - 2014-05-03 19:50:10 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Gamer4liff wrote:
Scratchy Nutz wrote:
Seems after today's industry QA, T2 BPOs are gonna be more collectors items and wont bring a significant advantage to invention anymore.

Can you expand on this? I wasn't awake yet, but I heard that this was said in regards to some complaining guy, and it wasn't a solid thing. It was also said in one of the devblog comment threads that they have no plans on T2 BPOs.


A guy was bitching that his T2 BPO lost 20% of its value due to impending research changes and CCP Greyscale responded that it will eventually lose all its value.


yeah when CCP turns out the lights and the server goes dead.

There's 2 reasons they havent been fixed by now...

either lots of CCP employees own them and dont want to shoot their goose that lays the golden eggs,

or they are afraid to **** off players who control so many accounts. But what they dont realize is t2 BPO players have been paying with PLEX since 2006, so they wont lose any actual revenue, it will just reduce the price of PLEX
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
#53 - 2014-05-04 05:25:22 UTC
Please make sure to take an off-the-cuff joke trolling an entitled player as being the impending immediate removal of T2 BPOs. Please relay that opinion to all T2 BPO owners you know, loudly and repeatedly, until they firesell their prints at a fraction of the value.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#54 - 2014-05-04 05:41:28 UTC
gas guzzler wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Gamer4liff wrote:
Scratchy Nutz wrote:
Seems after today's industry QA, T2 BPOs are gonna be more collectors items and wont bring a significant advantage to invention anymore.

Can you expand on this? I wasn't awake yet, but I heard that this was said in regards to some complaining guy, and it wasn't a solid thing. It was also said in one of the devblog comment threads that they have no plans on T2 BPOs.


A guy was bitching that his T2 BPO lost 20% of its value due to impending research changes and CCP Greyscale responded that it will eventually lose all its value.


yeah when CCP turns out the lights and the server goes dead.

There's 2 reasons they havent been fixed by now...

either lots of CCP employees own them and dont want to shoot their goose that lays the golden eggs,

or they are afraid to **** off players who control so many accounts. But what they dont realize is t2 BPO players have been paying with PLEX since 2006, so they wont lose any actual revenue, it will just reduce the price of PLEX



Which leads to less people considering plex a worthwhile "investment" which leads to... less people purchasing plex. Which is less revenue for CCP.


No idea how this works, do you?
sodney
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#55 - 2014-05-04 06:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: sodney
Dramaticus wrote:


A guy was bitching that his T2 BPO lost 20% of its value due to impending research changes and CCP Greyscale responded that it will eventually lose all its value.


Grrr this Greyscale again, first Doomsday and now T2 BPO's (and prolly all the other changes I didnt like in the past). I guess my next long time goal should be owning 10.000 Plexes so he can turn Eve to a F2P game
ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
#56 - 2014-05-04 10:09:41 UTC
they earn more mony from ppl using plex to play then ppl using a sub to play.. do the math.. this is s&i afteral ;o

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#57 - 2014-05-04 15:32:06 UTC
ST0NER SMURF wrote:
they earn more mony from ppl using plex to play then ppl using a sub to play.. do the math.. this is s&i afteral ;o



It's a little more complicated than that.

The demand side of the plex market isn't as simple as some of the others. There are plenty of people out there who would like to use plex, but can't currently afford to. Either for their main, or possibly for a new character. (Or an old one they let lapse, when the plex price went above a certain value.)

It's a combination of a luxury good, and an investment item.

If people left, stopping plexing an account, the demand would, temporarily, fall. This can lead to a dip in PLEX price, where different people can then start affording to plex their other accounts, using the plex.

Net effect to CCP at this point is nothing.


It's not that simple, but it's a back of a napkin sketch.

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gas guzzler
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#58 - 2014-05-04 23:32:54 UTC  |  Edited by: gas guzzler
Loraine Gess wrote:
gas guzzler wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
Gamer4liff wrote:
Scratchy Nutz wrote:
Seems after today's industry QA, T2 BPOs are gonna be more collectors items and wont bring a significant advantage to invention anymore.

Can you expand on this? I wasn't awake yet, but I heard that this was said in regards to some complaining guy, and it wasn't a solid thing. It was also said in one of the devblog comment threads that they have no plans on T2 BPOs.


A guy was bitching that his T2 BPO lost 20% of its value due to impending research changes and CCP Greyscale responded that it will eventually lose all its value.


yeah when CCP turns out the lights and the server goes dead.

There's 2 reasons they havent been fixed by now...

either lots of CCP employees own them and dont want to shoot their goose that lays the golden eggs,

or they are afraid to **** off players who control so many accounts. But what they dont realize is t2 BPO players have been paying with PLEX since 2006, so they wont lose any actual revenue, it will just reduce the price of PLEX



Which leads to less people considering plex a worthwhile "investment" which leads to... less people purchasing plex. Which is less revenue for CCP.


No idea how this works, do you?


lol t2 bpo holder spotted, here to defend his ME and PE advantage over us inventing plebs.

amazingly this one doesnt know that PLEX purchases and monthly subscription purchases are basically interchangeable most of the time, and totally interchangeable when PLEX goes on sale, which is the only time people with brains buy them.

let me spell this out for you... 1 less PLEX used = 1 more monthly subscription purchased. understand?

Assuming no spoiled t2 bpo holders like yourself quit, the removal of t2 bpos from the game will be REVENUE NEUTRAL

kthnxbye

EDIT: also what Steve Ronuken said when they are not on sale :D
Geezelbub
Barely Illegal
#59 - 2014-05-05 01:18:14 UTC
They've disappeared months of skill training in astrometrics so why not T2 BPO's?

Plex sellers are a trip. I needed a few and got them for about 10% below Jita buy order price so was happy.

The last one I bought the guy turned around and bought an exhumer from me for 15% above Jita sell order and some overpriced miner mods and crystals too.

Plexs are extremely inflationary ingame IMO. T2 BPO's should NEVER have happened, but that's 20/20 hindsight.
Gamer4liff
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-05-05 02:54:59 UTC
gas guzzler wrote:

lol t2 bpo holder spotted, here to defend his ME and PE advantage over us inventing plebs.

amazingly this one doesnt know that PLEX purchases and monthly subscription purchases are basically interchangeable most of the time, and totally interchangeable when PLEX goes on sale, which is the only time people with brains buy them.

let me spell this out for you... 1 less PLEX used = 1 more monthly subscription purchased. understand?

Assuming no spoiled t2 bpo holders like yourself quit, the removal of t2 bpos from the game will be REVENUE NEUTRAL

kthnxbye

EDIT: also what Steve Ronuken said when they are not on sale :D

There are valid reasons to want an end to T2 BPOs.

That is not one of them.

A comprehensive proposal for balancing T2 Production: here