Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Looks good, less of a running shoe.

I am really sorry, i really do not understand how you got from my post to that.
It is really a shame that you cannot understand the points I have tried to make.
It may be that you have something in mind for your use of the ship that you wish not to lose. i can appreciate that.
But communication requires attempting to understand what is being said, and that unfortunately is not occurring.
That's a shame. ii do not think we can overcome that.

How about you define what you think a battleship being "mobile" means, then? Without just blowing off and using out of game analogies?

I cannot explain it any better than I have, it is a very simple concept, mobile as opposed to stationary.
Sorry i cannot reach you on this. We are just wasting each others time and patience. i will not be responding on this matter further to you.

What is everyone leaning towards for the Rattlesnake? Rapid heavy launchers or cruise? (assuming torpedoes are out)

What difference does it make if it moves or not?

Rattlesnake for me;

Role Bonuses;
150% to Drone Damage and Hitpoints - 100m Drone Bandwidth 200m Drone Bay - Can only launch 2 of any specific drone size or type at a time


Gallente Battleship Bonus;
7.5% to RHML Reload Time.

Caldari Battleship Bonus;
7.5% to Missile Velocity
OR
7.5% to Thermal and Kinetic Missile Damage. (would be my 1st choice)

Give the Snake a Pvp bonus (7.5% to RHML) - Let it be a true Pirate Battleship - Let it Fight and Die as well and along side other ships in its class.

The RHML bonus would be too specialized, and to a weapon system that is not quite appropriate for it's size (well, the missiles shot ain't).
If I fit it like a "proper battleship", I'm left with two bonus. If I enter some Battleship brawl, or I go against a lost Carrier, POS Bashing, whatever.

250% bonused drones would mean 7 Gecko from 2, and I can only imagine that is what you wanted with the 100mbps and 2 drones only role. Since other ships will trade 2 heavies for one, that sounds too strong.
On the other hand, puts super in the superdrone, Gecko where it belongs.
And light drones will be bonused once more. With a rapid reload bonus and a missile bonus, that's really-really-really a LOT.

Missile velocity I'm all too happy to turn into a damage bonus.

Getting rid of the shield bonus in favor of two bonuses to one weapon system : I can see why you'd want that.

Sorry my bad, I was aiming for a 5 drone bonus - It should be 150% to give a total of 5 Gecko or other drones - Fixed..

I'm not looking at 2 missile bonuses to replace the 4% resist bonus - the OR is the key there. 1 bonus or the other.

With reduced bonuses as I have suggested I think with Geckos and RHML, the Snake would be on par with a Vindi or Mach.

You can still fit other missile types with a 7.5% damage bonus but my aim was to use RHML and the Super Drone concept to give the Snake that bit of Pvp appeal.
Make it a viable choice to take somewhere other than Lvl 4 missions.

NB; If as you say, you fit as you worded it as a 'proper battleship', as it is now you would have 4 Launchers with Velocity bonus - My suggestion, you would have 5 Launchers with a 37.5% damage bonus. Whether you fit RHML (for their specific bonus) or fit Cruise missiles, you still have a 37.5% damage bonus.

Drones with either Cruise+T1 ammo.

edit: Adding clarity

If we start by maximizing DPS, then we're looking at 3xCN BCU and 3xDDAs, giving us:
* 797 DPS with Fury,
* 751 DPS with Gardes.
Which would be an impressive 1500+ DPS if there weren't fitting and damage application issues.

Missile and drone DPS are equivalent, so the RS can make either one the primary weapons system. (A choice you will probably have to make due to fitting constraints.) IMHO, due to significant drawbacks to the RS' missiles, fitting issues, and the new faction drone modules, I would focus on Drone DPS to the point of significantly downgrading the missile DPS.

Given the

• huge pain of fitting to maximize missile and drone DPS, and
• because missiles are still somewhat second rate compared to a CNR/Golem, and
• because of the new Faction DDAs, and
• because of instant gun damage, and
• because sentries have a 4 second RoF (i.e. less DPS loss to overkill versus large missile volleys,) and
• because Gardes are getting 50% more falloff, and
• because the drone HP makes it easier to manage drone aggro, and
• because missile DPS can't be improved (i.e. there's nothing new this summer to increase missile DPS in terms of modules/rigs/etc, and
• somewhat because of limited rig calibration, and
• somewhat because of the loss of missile speed, and
• because faction fitting both missile and drone modules could increase the pimp/gank factor greatly,

I'm thinking that drones should be the Rattlesnakes's primary focus, which means, three Omnis, 4 DDAs, no TPs, t1 missile rigs (either rigors for T1 cruise or speed rigs for RHMLs,) 3 BCUs, and maybe even dropping the 5th launcher for a 2nd DLA or dropping a BCU for a CPU module.

I'm leaning towards cruise with T1 ammo, due to

• RHML range limitations,
• DPS loss to RHML's ~3 second RoF (I'm not going to count Rapid volleys) and
• T1 explosion radius/speed of T1 cruise + rigors is better than HM Fury (using speed rigs instead of rigors.)
• no looooooooooooooooooooooooooong reload timers

Another consideration to consider is the Metacide of modules, wherein meta launchers could get interesting attributes (e.g. hold more ammo, easier fitting) than T2 launchers. If missiles are secondary to drones, then it's less painful to downgrade the missile launchers to meta launchers.