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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1961 - 2014-05-03 23:26:35 UTC
KaDa en Bauldry wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
KaDa en Bauldry wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mordu's Legion for the win!
I think you may be right, But wait for the explosion If CCP announce it is armour Tanked.
1 Armor bonus, 1 missile bonus, and 1 EWAR bonus? Roll
It may not have an armor bonus - it just may be geared towards an armor tank.
Was a jab at something I agreed with Epic on, that 3 different types of bonuses on a Pirate ships are too all-over the place.

Now.
For a Battleship with 6-7 lows, 3 CNBCU, the rest tank, all the mids I want for prop and EWAR?
With near-angel mobility?
For the glory of Khanid, my expectations are growing.
Oh, wait, I'm Gallente.
Miloise Roden be praised?



Just make it GOOD and i'm in.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
KaDa en Bauldry
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1962 - 2014-05-03 23:26:38 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Armor may make more sense with a PvP setup - hard to say. But imagine if this had 8 lows, 8 highs and 4 mids. And 20% armor resistances...

I'd scream on the forums for nerf?

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1963 - 2014-05-03 23:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
KaDa en Bauldry wrote:
Now.
For a Battleship with 6-7 lows, 3 CNBCU, the rest tank, all the mids I want for prop and EWAR?
With near-angel mobility?
For the glory of Khanid, my expectations are growing.
Oh, wait, I'm Gallente.
Miloise Roden be praised?

It's totally cool since it's a Caldari-Gallente hybrid. All of the best - none of the suck. Now we just need some black "Hero" stealth drones to go along with it...



I hope these will not be super rare. and I would be pleased to see the rattlesnake with more bite and less suck too!

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1964 - 2014-05-03 23:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
I hope these will not be super rare. and I would be pleased to see the rattlesnake with more bite and less suck too!

Do you like rapid heavy missile launchers? Honestly, I was really excited with the proposed iteration... Then I let it sink in a bit and started mulling it around some more. The loss of the missile velocity bonus isn't a death knell, but it's not exactly something that gets missile users excited about, either.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1965 - 2014-05-03 23:31:48 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
I hope these will not be super rare. and I would be pleased to see the rattlesnake with more bite and less suck too!

Do you like rapid heavy missile launchers?

They could work very well on the rattlesnake if it had it's drones focused on speed and mobility.
If not the two systems would be pulling in different directions.

Is this the place to mention Gila class super drones for the win?Big smile

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1966 - 2014-05-03 23:32:33 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

I hope these will not be super rare. and I would be pleased to see the rattlesnake with more bite and less suck too!


What "less suck" do you need? It won't have the bonused light drones that you cherish so deeply.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1967 - 2014-05-03 23:35:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What "less suck" do you need? It won't have the bonused light drones that you cherish so deeply.

Another mid would do it for me.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1968 - 2014-05-03 23:41:16 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
What "less suck" do you need? It won't have the bonused light drones that you cherish so deeply.

Another mid would do it for me.


*shrugs*

If that and no bonused light drones is the price I pay for being the only ship in the game with both two fully dps bonused weapons systems and one of which applies it's bonus to any size weapon...

Then I happily pay that price.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1969 - 2014-05-03 23:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

I hope these will not be super rare. and I would be pleased to see the rattlesnake with more bite and less suck too!


What "less suck" do you need? It won't have the bonused light drones that you cherish so deeply.


I think overall the conversation moved on from that a few hundred pages ago (including deletions)

That was just one point picked out by someone while ignoring the rest of the post, and gained a life of it's own.

The issue is still as it has always been that the drone weapons system has been replaced by a poor imitation of it's existing abilities.
What is the real shame is that this ship can absolutely shine as a mid range brawler, rewarding aggressive mobile tactics.
Instead the drone system is pulling in completely the opposite direction, rewarding fixed, static placement, and micromanaging all the many systems and needs instead of getting in there and KILLING stuff.

It is like forcing a special forces soldier to fight from a Fixed defensive position like a castle. He does neither well. He needs the mobility of the battlespace.

I am asking for decent drones of whatever sort, the old ones would be better than nothing but not really helping it, Ideally the Gila medium super drones. Then the ship can mix it up with the best. without being just another long distance mission runner. But do PvE and PvE well, just in a different way.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1970 - 2014-05-03 23:48:27 UTC
Firstly, define "mid range". For me, that's 20-60km.

Sentries do just fine in that range.

Secondly, travel time is being addressed already for heavy drones.

And, as a battleship, it's pretty much restrained to fixed, static placement already. It's not outrunning a whole lot of things.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1971 - 2014-05-03 23:55:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Firstly, define "mid range". For me, that's 20-60km.

Sentries do just fine in that range.

Secondly, travel time is being addressed already for heavy drones.

And, as a battleship, it's pretty much restrained to fixed, static placement already. It's not outrunning a whole lot of things.


Mobile does not automatically equal fast.
Being tied to sentries and heavies, hardly can be described as a benefit to mobility.

So it's role is to stay in one place, shoot all it's missiles quickly. and then wait for reload while doing moderate damage with it's sentries, while waiting patiently for the ships to get close so one can launch heavies?

That sounds really really dull.

But never mind. You know what you want,You have a role in mind you want to use it for. Far from me to try to tell you That something else could be better too.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1972 - 2014-05-04 00:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Sorry, had the reply written then decided, I just can't be bothered anymore.

People still arguing about the same thing 60 pages on is just time wasting.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1973 - 2014-05-04 00:05:35 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

Mobile does not automatically equal fast.
Being tied to sentries and heavies, hardly can be described as a benefit to mobility.


Did you read that before you typed it?

Movement = mobility. The end.

Quote:

So it's role is to stay in one place, shoot all it's missiles quickly. and then wait for reload while doing moderate damage with it's sentries, while waiting patiently for the ships to get close so one can launch heavies?

That sounds really really dull.


You know what sounds more dull? Keeping it to be the same overtanked, halfassed shield Dominix that it is right now.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1974 - 2014-05-04 00:06:30 UTC
Removed some off topic posts.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1975 - 2014-05-04 00:09:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Sgt Ocker wrote:
New RattleSnake is really going to be no different to the current. The main difference now will be missile focus instead of drones, if you want a drone battleship to run Pve - Get a Domi

Speaking of the Dominix... did you see the new redesign?

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know what sounds more dull? Keeping it to be the same overtanked, halfassed shield Dominix that it is right now.

The new Rattlesnake is probably safe... CCP rarely (if ever) changes anything. Even when it's universally despised...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
KaDa en Bauldry
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1976 - 2014-05-04 00:11:54 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Rigs plus one TP, where the TP is needed for Angel and Mercenary Battleships.
I'm a little confused here. A Target Painter, which I am presuming you are referring to as a TP, increases Signature Radius of the targeted ship. You are stating 'where it is needed' vs battleships.
I would have thought increasing the size of the sig on a battleship less important than that of a frigate.

If you actually read the post you are quoting from - He says in his update 2 Faction TP and the Snake still requires extra volleys.. Rigs and a TP just aren't gonna cut it.
I think you might want to read complete posts before using them as quotes.
The guy he was replying to asked for BS only.
Thus he got an answer focusing on Battleships only.

Think he read just fine this time.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1977 - 2014-05-04 00:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:

Mobile does not automatically equal fast.
Being tied to sentries and heavies, hardly can be described as a benefit to mobility.


Did you read that before you typed it?

Movement = mobility. The end.

Quote:

So it's role is to stay in one place, shoot all it's missiles quickly. and then wait for reload while doing moderate damage with it's sentries, while waiting patiently for the ships to get close so one can launch heavies?

That sounds really really dull.


You know what sounds more dull? Keeping it to be the same overtanked, halfassed shield Dominix that it is right now.



You do realise that what I am suggesting is the opposite of a shield tanked dominix?
It is more a larger Gila?

Think tank not artillery.
Tanks are mobile too, but naturally not as fast as jets, but still mobile on the battlefield. Fight while moving.
Artillery is moved into location, anchored and fights until it moves again, just like with sentries.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1978 - 2014-05-04 00:13:00 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
New RattleSnake is really going to be no different to the current. The main difference now will be missile focus instead of drones, if you want a drone battleship to run Pve - Get a Domi

Speaking of the Dominix... did you see the new redesign?

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You know what sounds more dull? Keeping it to be the same overtanked, halfassed shield Dominix that it is right now.

The new Rattlesnake is probably safe... CCP rarely (if ever) changes anything. Even when it's universally despised...



No, post links please!

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1979 - 2014-05-04 00:14:35 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
No, post links please!

Not too radical - and still complements the original design. Looks very slick (especially with the new drone bays).
http://i.imgur.com/RSpmQ7a.png

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1980 - 2014-05-04 00:16:11 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:


You do realise that what I am suggesting is the opposite of a shield tanked dominix?
It is more a larger Gila?

Think tank not artillery.
Tanks are mobile too, but naturally not as fast as jets, but still mobile on the battlefield.


*facepalm*

They are not going to give you a battleship drone kiter.

And if you want a fast battleship, then you're stepping on the Machariel's toes.

Do you know how ship balance works? The whole "a niche for every ship" thing?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.