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CCP sneaky advertising, good job or....Evil?

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Noriko Mai
#21 - 2014-05-02 23:07:47 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
I'm not sure you understand how advertisement services and cookie tracking work.

Advertising is not paid by "times shown", or it would be very easily abused by malicious competitors. It is typically paid for at either a flat rate, or "per click" (when a user actually clicks on the ad). So, Eve players being shown Eve ads hurts CCP none at all. If anything, it shows the ad service needs improvement to display ads that are actually relevant for potential, not already-existing customers.

Now, on cookie tracking. Cookies "belong" to a domain ("directly tied" as stated in the OP). This is done for data segregation for both conflict avoidance (if two cookies from different sites had the same ID), and security. A website or script running on a website can only access cookies belonging to the domain it comes from. That domain might not be the domain of the site you loaded if the site uses a 3rd party resource (these are "3rd party cookies" if you've heard of them in tech news). Advertisement services are a type of 3rd party resource that utilizes cookies to keep tabs on who you are.

For example, suppose you visit TheMittani.com. You can see in Chrome's developer tools that the page uses cookies from two domain names associated with DoubleClick, an advertising service. That is because it loads the DoubleClick 3rd party resources to load the page (and the ad). However, the DoubleClick ad can only see the DoubleClick cookies, and not the "themittani.com" or the Facebook cookies. Whenever you view any other site (such as BBC News) which uses DoubleClick, DoubleClick sees the same cookie, and knows it's you and that you visited TheMittani.com earlier, and is (supposedly) more likely to show you an Eve ad. CCP and eveonline.com were not involved at any point in this tracking process.

tl;dr: the OP is based on a false premise and is trying to solve a problem that does not exist. Also you got to learn a bit about how the web works and why advertising companies know a scary amount about you.

Stealth advertisement for Mittani and goons detected!

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#22 - 2014-05-02 23:09:31 UTC
Confirming I am a Goonswarm shill and infiltra-- {Redacted. Rumor mongering is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith}

ISD LackOfFaith

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CompleteFailure
DAWGS Corp.
Negative Feedback
#23 - 2014-05-02 23:11:32 UTC  |  Edited by: CompleteFailure
Kirsi Kirjasto wrote:

Basically CCP is just wasting your own cash on advertisements by keeping the unwanted cookies.


False. It became CCP's money the moment you voluntarily to give it to them.

(edited for clarity)
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#24 - 2014-05-02 23:14:14 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Confirming I am a Goonswarm shill and infiltra-- {Redacted. Rumor mongering is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith}

Interesting. Self-correcting AI. We're close to Skynet. Give it three years. 2017 was prophesied somewhere as a world ending year.

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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-05-03 06:07:59 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Confirming I am a Goonswarm shill and infiltra-- {Redacted. Rumor mongering is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith}


Do you want geth, because this is how you get geth.

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IDGAD
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-05-03 17:36:49 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Confirming I am a Goonswarm shill and infiltra-- {Redacted. Rumor mongering is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith}


Do you want geth, because this is how you get geth.


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"All of EVE : No, HTFU or GTFO"
/threadlocked for hurting ISD feelings
Marsha Mallow
#27 - 2014-05-03 17:45:50 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
tl;dr: the OP is based on a false premise and is trying to solve a problem that does not exist. Also you got to learn a bit about how the web works and why advertising companies know a scary amount about you.

They seem to be confused by me, I get an awful lot of erectile dysfunction ads (when I turn adsense off) and junk mail. Might be cos I forwarded one to a load of people a while back. Seemed funny at the time >.>

Or maybe all Eve players get these Big smile

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#28 - 2014-05-03 21:37:51 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
tl;dr: the OP is based on a false premise and is trying to solve a problem that does not exist. Also you got to learn a bit about how the web works and why advertising companies know a scary amount about you.

They seem to be confused by me, I get an awful lot of erectile dysfunction ads (when I turn adsense off) and junk mail. Might be cos I forwarded one to a load of people a while back. Seemed funny at the time >.>

Or maybe all Eve players get these Big smile

Well you know what they say about big spaceships...

ISD LackOfFaith

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2014-05-04 10:03:25 UTC
Excellent ad space?
Especially the new Mordu's skillet of doom
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#30 - 2014-05-04 10:16:16 UTC
Louise Beethoven wrote:
another quality thread

word.
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#31 - 2014-05-04 10:18:22 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Confirming I am a Goonswarm shill and infiltra-- {Redacted. Rumor mongering is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith}

Interesting. Self-correcting AI. We're close to Skynet. Give it three years. 2017 was prophesied somewhere as a world ending year.

again?

#3Years
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#32 - 2014-05-04 10:22:05 UTC
No worries I just went into the 10-11 here and bought some other cookies. That ought throw em off!

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NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2014-05-04 10:45:25 UTC
Chribba wrote:
No worries I just went into the 10-11 here and bought some other cookies. That ought throw em off!

And now because you posted this, the AIs can correct for the anomaly
Good tip, if you want to throw them off, dont then run up and tell them
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#34 - 2014-05-04 11:46:42 UTC
I know the consensus after years of terrible ads is "use adblock noooob!!11", but doing so without some thought will end up harming the internet as a whole, or at least the ability to read and enjoy content for free.

Ad-block themselves recommend not doing this, and even have an acceptable ads policy: https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads

I recommend leaving the option to show unobtrusive ads enabled, and if you regularly visit an ad-supported site and don't want it to shut it's doors, consider white-listing the site to support them. Even if they don't meet the very strict ad-block requirements, most decent websites don't run ads that leap around, make noise, or flash at 10khz.

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BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-05-04 12:20:01 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Also - who doesn't clean after a session on the internet? Bit lazy if you don't tbh.

I don't always have time to wash my nut sack...But it's relatively clean...
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