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Noir. [Est. 2008]

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Vayeate Marquise
Doomheim
#161 - 2014-05-02 17:43:04 UTC
"but he didn't specify!"

srsly you shouldnt need a fking road map to know how to do your job alek Roll

Problem? ~.~

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#162 - 2014-05-02 17:43:13 UTC
Reputation is everything, I often get people asking about mercs and who they should hire for specific jobs, and I have advised Noir for certain jobs to people, following on from this I won't be advising Noir to any of my contacts.

Stepping back and looking at this objectively the question has to be why didn't you check back with Gevlon Goblin about whether he would be happy with you taking the contract for the Goons, yet you asked the Goons about Gevlons contract. From that the obvious bias against Gevlon Goblin is very evident, you knew that he would not have accepted that. You also realised that the Goons would find it hilariously funny that you were doing this and that it would annoy Gevlon Goblin immensely, what amazes me is that Goblin was already a client with you and had paid you on prior jobs and yet you do that to a returning customer, who should have expected you to act with honor around your contract. In business I often found the biggest scoundrels hid behind small print, being professional means looking after your client, not taking total advantage of your client using the nuances of the contract.

There are times that people can be too smart for their own good, this is one of them and every reply I have seen from Noir makes them look even worse, best thing you should do is stand up, say that this was actually not a clever thing to do, apologise to Gevlon Goblin publicly, and adjust your approach so that you never take a contract with the opposition, you should have advised him that you were going to have a contract with the Goons and refused his contract, simple as!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#163 - 2014-05-02 18:25:41 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Good faith efforts to contact Goblin even after that he has either ignored or openly mocked on his blog.


You made zero good faith efforts, not just in communications attempts to me, but neither you did any since it got out and even Redditors and EN24 commenters (both hate me like the plague) is on my side.

A "good faith effort" would have been "dude, we screwed it up royally, how could we make it right?". Instead you sent me mails and convos demanding payment and parroting that you completed the contract because of "look this word can be understood as X". These are either attempts to close a scam or harvesting tears.

If you wouldn't be a scammer, there would be a huge apology post on noirmercs.com instead of blaming me to scam you out of some pocket change that I'd pay 10x more if you'd done honest work to me during Burn Jita. You know, "ruin the day of the Goons", "ECM".

Hint: if the Catalyst was on 95% shields when Concord blapped it, the day of the Goonie may not have been ruined.

My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

Isabela Valentine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#164 - 2014-05-02 18:51:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Isabela Valentine
At the end of the day no ***** were given. Agree or disagree, things are being perceived differently by everyone. Both sides feel slighted and a bunch of random people stating that they won't hire us in the future won't change anything. Guess what? You guys werent going to hire use anyways so it doesnt matter. In fact, we're still fulfilling contracts even after this "incident". All involviing happy clients.

Noir has been completing contracts for years and it will continue to complete contracts.

I'll just leave this here.
Seraph IX Basarab
Outer Path
Seraphim Division
#165 - 2014-05-02 19:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph IX Basarab
Isabela Valentine wrote:
At the end of the day no ***** were given. Agree or disagree, things are being perceived differently by everyone. Both sides feel slighted and a bunch of random people stating that they won't hire us in the future won't change anything. Guess what? You guys werent going to hire use anyways so it doesnt matter. In fact, we're still fulfilling contracts even after this "incident". All involviing happy clients.

Noir has been completing contracts for years and it will continue to complete contracts.

I'll just leave this here.



This is really no fault of your own as Alek handled the contract. But you can't simply toe the party line and repeat the same non sense. "Both sides" you say, but the two sides seem to be Noir and a few Goons that hate Goblin, and then everyone else including Goblin, his supporters, his detractors and several other established mercenary groups.

It doesn't help your side by saying "at the end of the day no ***** were given" when this sort of business practice reflects poorly on all of us mercs. Nor does it win Noir any points with the public. Reputation is everything after all and you saying "no fucks were given" is basically flipping everyone the bird. Even worse, you post some picture of what I can assume is a poco Goblin wanted. So you do a bad job at your contract and when people don't pay you for your bad job, you go after them? Who wants to work with someone like that.

Sure you'll have a few people that aren't informed about the situation or have a good relationship with Noir...so far. But honestly groups have been banned from the Merc contracts channel for less than this.
Joseph Soprano
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2014-05-02 19:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Joseph Soprano
Isabela Valentine wrote:
At the end of the day no ***** were given. Agree or disagree, things are being perceived differently by everyone. Both sides feel slighted and a bunch of random people stating that they won't hire us in the future won't change anything. Guess what? You guys werent going to hire use anyways so it doesnt matter. In fact, we're still fulfilling contracts even after this "incident". All involviing happy clients.

Noir has been completing contracts for years and it will continue to complete contracts.

I'll just leave this here.


Lol
Hope you run your POCO's better than you were being mercenaries. Good luck with your new venture :)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#167 - 2014-05-03 01:12:04 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:

Good faith efforts to contact Goblin even after that he has either ignored or openly mocked on his blog.


You made zero good faith efforts, not just in communications attempts to me, but neither you did any since it got out and even Redditors and EN24 commenters (both hate me like the plague) is on my side.

A "good faith effort" would have been "dude, we screwed it up royally, how could we make it right?". Instead you sent me mails and convos demanding payment and parroting that you completed the contract because of "look this word can be understood as X". These are either attempts to close a scam or harvesting tears.

If you wouldn't be a scammer, there would be a huge apology post on noirmercs.com instead of blaming me to scam you out of some pocket change that I'd pay 10x more if you'd done honest work to me during Burn Jita. You know, "ruin the day of the Goons", "ECM".

Hint: if the Catalyst was on 95% shields when Concord blapped it, the day of the Goonie may not have been ruined.


I am in contradiction heaven & gevlon is contradiction Jesus.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#168 - 2014-05-03 01:29:27 UTC
I am still confused how there is supposed to be a "backlash" by "the majority of players" or whatever, if it's mostly a handful of people affiliated with, or outright pets of Gevlon posting against Noir.

I'd just call that a smear campaign, speaking as an observer. And a rather half assed one at that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tor Norman
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#169 - 2014-05-03 01:37:01 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I am still confused how there is supposed to be a "backlash" by "the majority of players" or whatever, if it's mostly a handful of people affiliated with, or outright pets of Gevlon posting against Noir.

I'd just call that a smear campaign, speaking as an observer. And a rather half assed one at that.

Confirming that Gevlon's charming wiles have ensnared a following that rivals Goonswarm's own beastiary.

I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.

For the ISK and the yarr!

DoToo Foo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2014-05-03 03:14:26 UTC
TLDR:

Gevlon hires Noir to shoot Goons.
Noir shoots Gevlon while he is shooting goons. 4 ships, 1 pod.

Noir is ok with this.

Let all future employers of Noir beware

http://foo-eve.blogspot.com.au/

Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#171 - 2014-05-03 05:52:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I am still confused how there is supposed to be a "backlash" by "the majority of players" or whatever, if it's mostly a handful of people affiliated with, or outright pets of Gevlon posting against Noir.

I'd just call that a smear campaign, speaking as an observer. And a rather half assed one at that.



Nah, not a backlash just a large majority of posters sympathetic to why the goblin is raging like he found alex having sex with his wife. Noir got caught with their hands in the till and are trying to push blame on gevlon. I suspect the real reason for the depth of the nerd rage we are seeing (20 bill on their titan? really?) is to quote goblin "alex was one of the few people I trusted in eve"

Theres the rub, Gevlons mad mainly at himself as he broke the first rule of eve: dont trust anyone, we are all out to get you. He knew that rule, he just didn't follow it and now he's been burned and trolled. Hes probably feeling abit stupid himself and thats gotta be driving him nuts. Why are you defending Noir though?

With that amateur psychology hour is up over here :P

Will gank for food

Isabela Valentine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#172 - 2014-05-03 08:11:33 UTC
DoToo Foo wrote:
TLDR:

Gevlon hires Noir to shoot Goons.
Noir shoots Gevlon while he is shooting goons. 4 ships, 1 pod.

Noir is ok with this.

Let all future employers of Noir beware


If you're going to do a TLDR post at least do it right.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#173 - 2014-05-03 10:41:24 UTC
Removed a personal attack. Please keep it on topic and civil. Thank you.

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Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
#174 - 2014-05-03 13:47:25 UTC
Upz!

Alek, really?
U should have known better, karma is a ***** right?
Too bad you arent a mod on MERC Contracts anymore, you would have delisted yourself. (you dont have time for this drama) Lol
Fayral
Nano Currency
Yeet. Pray. Love.
#175 - 2014-05-03 13:50:24 UTC
Jokes on you Goblin. Our Titan pilot is on vacation in Micronesia for 3 months.


Your smear campaign is hilarious. Army of Alts pushing any sensible content pages back.

/bear poke
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#176 - 2014-05-03 14:45:34 UTC
Fayral wrote:
Jokes on you Goblin. Our Titan pilot is on vacation in Micronesia for 3 months.

Your smear campaign is hilarious. Army of Alts pushing any sensible content pages back.

/bear poke


This is my main, I am not a follower of Gevlon Goblin, you are of course trying to smear those that have come on here to suggest that Noir has seriously damaged their reputation with this ill considered act, the issue is very simply that you should have informed Gevlon Goblin of the fact that you had a contract that would conflict with his contract, not of course in terms of the fine print which you seem to be hiding behind, but in terms of a simple conflict of interest, you applied that courtesy to the Goons, but not to him. While many can of course see that in terms of the fine print you did what you said you would, in terms of reputation as trusted mercs you did not.

As I said earlier, I had put people your way, in the end I am of course not sure how many actually used your services, but that hardly matters, Noir has lost a lot of trust and respect, I recommended Noir because I thought that you were trustworthy, that is no longer my perception and the perception of many others, and you can blather on about army of alts and smears, but that just makes you look even more foolish, its sad to see how far you guys have fallen Sad.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Fayral
Nano Currency
Yeet. Pray. Love.
#177 - 2014-05-03 16:15:42 UTC
You are entitled to voice your own opinion. If you don't recommend us that is your right, of course.


Noir has a very long and detailed contract history that anyone can view. Yes this is a messy one that will stick around for a bit. Things could have been done better on both sides. My quick poke shouldn't justify a multi-paragraph response. Lets just have some fun with this and both parties can move on. Goblin will continue to do his thing just like we and ours.


Amazing content creation on all sides chaps. good show.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#178 - 2014-05-03 16:26:21 UTC
Tarojan wrote:
Why are you defending Noir though?



I'm not. I'm not affiliated with them, aside from intermittent hostilities on another character.

This just seems like "doth protest too much" on Goblin's part. Especially with the "20 billion isk spite bounty". Looks like a smokescreen to me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#179 - 2014-05-03 19:35:56 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Tarojan wrote:
Why are you defending Noir though?



I'm not. I'm not affiliated with them, aside from intermittent hostilities on another character.

This just seems like "doth protest too much" on Goblin's part. Especially with the "20 billion isk spite bounty". Looks like a smokescreen to me.


Indeed, Gevlon Goblin would surely never lose perspective over an issue or try to solve his problems by throwing not-as-impressive-as-he-thinks piles of money at them with no regard for the social motivations behind human behavior.
Michele Bachmann
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#180 - 2014-05-04 03:05:45 UTC
What can I say about NOIR.

Consistent, intelligent, trustworthy.

Just a great continuation of an already solid relationship.

+1 would hire again.