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Dust on PC confirmed! (Project Legion)

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#221 - 2014-05-03 18:58:31 UTC
Of course. I'll try it too. I just refuse to invest anything in it, so I'll be unscathed when it flops.

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Dave Stark
#222 - 2014-05-03 19:05:03 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Of course. I'll try it too. I just refuse to invest anything in it, so I'll be unscathed when it flops.


oh for sure. also, i wouldn't subscribe to play an FPS. i don't really think fps games suit a subscription model anyway.
Cyinii Erkkinen
The First Prophecy Fleet.
#223 - 2014-05-03 19:14:58 UTC
IDGAD wrote:
Anna Karhunen wrote:
While I look forward to playing Legion, I have to wonder why CCP failed to heed the advice given to them by CSM (and probably by CPM as well). This reveal and Dust community have been handled in extremely incompetent manner. Whoever decided that this is the way to do it all should be moved to other duties, for PR is certainly not part of their skillset.


The DUST 514 PR is taken care of by Mintchip. This was the girl who just a week before being hired by CCP, would not stop bashing EVE and saying how much CCP was a horrible company, while at the same time trying to get neckbeards to buy her things from her amazon wishlist. This seems wholly in line with hiring someone so inexperienced and outright bad for a PR role.

Bad choices by CCP aside, yes it is a PR nightmare and I hear from some posts that sony is even reimbursing recent "arum" purchases due to this whole issue? If so, that's pretty impressive since Sony takes a really hard line on refunds and usually just says tough luck.


Lol Mintchip got fired a long time ago, very quickly in fact. I only saw her post at most 4 times.
Cyinii Erkkinen
The First Prophecy Fleet.
#224 - 2014-05-03 19:18:02 UTC
Cheng Musana wrote:
Hmm ive heard that the Devs will try to move the Dust toons onto Legion. Well thats competition destroyed for eve players. if only 100 of the top Dust players will move to Legion then they wil havel a head start of like 50million SP+ (thats if Legion would start today). And we all know that FPS players only play with their lvl of skill. Gonna be interesting to see how a 0SP player (who's mainly a pilot) will hold up against Dust vets.

This will most certainly be problematic cause i still assume that Legion will just be a polished Dust514. And that means the Dust players know how everything work before every 1 else. I say only 2 words: "proto stomping".


Even if DUST SP does get transfered, the skill system is changing dramatically (for the worse) so not all of the SP is going to make it through. Also, DUST players are used to playing on a controller with an aim assist that does %60 of the work for them, If you've played PC shooters before, you should be fine.
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
#225 - 2014-05-03 21:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
To be honest if this Dust/Legion thing would be an EA Project everyone would **** on them... and CCP... I dunno sometimes they act like a {Snip. Profanity filter avoidance. -- ISD LackOfFaith}

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Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2014-05-03 21:47:45 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Cheng Musana wrote:
Hmm ive heard that the Devs will try to move the Dust toons onto Legion. Well thats competition destroyed for eve players. if only 100 of the top Dust players will move to Legion then they wil havel a head start of like 50million SP+ (thats if Legion would start today). And we all know that FPS players only play with their lvl of skill. Gonna be interesting to see how a 0SP player (who's mainly a pilot) will hold up against Dust vets.

This will most certainly be problematic cause i still assume that Legion will just be a polished Dust514. And that means the Dust players know how everything work before every 1 else. I say only 2 words: "proto stomping".


Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were talking about how some new players feel when they start in Eve and see all the vets with X skill points and knowledge of how the game works.

Well on dust you either have proto equipment or you get stomped. There is no other option to it. Noobs that show up in militia gear are getting instantly murdered by vets. it just doesnt matter how good you are when the guy you are shoting has like double or even tripple the HP then you got, he just turns around, shots you a couple of times and thats about it. Oh and if you see a hostile tank dont even bother cause your Anti Vehicle weapons dont even put a dent into that thing if you dont have them maxed out.

Dust has big balancing issues where only the vets truly rule over the game. Another thing is quite a decent amount of the dust players actually do use keyboard+mouse cause its supported on the PS3. So the shift from the PS3-PC wouldnt be to big of a problem.
Noriko Mai
#227 - 2014-05-03 22:03:29 UTC
Cheng Musana wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Cheng Musana wrote:
Hmm ive heard that the Devs will try to move the Dust toons onto Legion. Well thats competition destroyed for eve players. if only 100 of the top Dust players will move to Legion then they wil havel a head start of like 50million SP+ (thats if Legion would start today). And we all know that FPS players only play with their lvl of skill. Gonna be interesting to see how a 0SP player (who's mainly a pilot) will hold up against Dust vets.

This will most certainly be problematic cause i still assume that Legion will just be a polished Dust514. And that means the Dust players know how everything work before every 1 else. I say only 2 words: "proto stomping".


Sorry, for a moment there I thought you were talking about how some new players feel when they start in Eve and see all the vets with X skill points and knowledge of how the game works.

Well on dust you either have proto equipment or you get stomped. There is no other option to it. Noobs that show up in militia gear are getting instantly murdered by vets. it just doesnt matter how good you are when the guy you are shoting has like double or even tripple the HP then you got, he just turns around, shots you a couple of times and thats about it. Oh and if you see a hostile tank dont even bother cause your Anti Vehicle weapons dont even put a dent into that thing if you dont have them maxed out.

Dust has big balancing issues where only the vets truly rule over the game. Another thing is quite a decent amount of the dust players actually do use keyboard+mouse cause its supported on the PS3. So the shift from the PS3-PC wouldnt be to big of a problem.

And that's the reason why I hope it will be tied with eve subscription or somthing like that. Microtransactions is the worst thing ever invented in video game history. Even worse than console shooters.

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ISD LackOfFaith
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ISD Alliance
#228 - 2014-05-03 22:40:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
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Vahl Ahashion
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#229 - 2014-05-04 00:03:40 UTC
Its fantastic news, PC is the only place to make a game that should be as complex and epic as an FPS in the EVE universe.
handige harrie
Vereenigde Handels Compagnie
#230 - 2014-05-04 00:08:54 UTC
The way they announced it is a shame, but really..... Dust should've been on the PC from the beginning, so much more potential. Hopefully CCP will still make the leap.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#231 - 2014-05-04 00:23:36 UTC
As I said in another topic:

I hope the Dust backlash doesnt endanger their plans with Legion as they made the right decision there and there is alot of potential.

They shot themselves in the foot with the way they anounced it however and I have no idea how anyone in their right mind thought this would end well.

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Hurtado Soneka
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#232 - 2014-05-04 00:27:56 UTC
CCP has lost a ton if not all of their creditibility over this though, they have proven they are willing to dump a consumer base if they can do the same thing somewhere else if its easier to do

Ill be playing some Legion, sure as hell wont pay a penny though, looking at the track record with Dust, those devs dont have a clue what they are doing
Pix Severus
Empty You
#233 - 2014-05-04 00:29:23 UTC
I used to play FPS games a while back (UT99, Quake, CS) and I'm looking forward to seeing how bad I've gotten with age.

I wouldn't pay for it though, unless my participation has a direct positive influence on my EVE playstyle.

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#234 - 2014-05-04 00:58:10 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
As I said in another topic:

I hope the Dust backlash doesnt endanger their plans with Legion as they made the right decision there and there is alot of potential.

They shot themselves in the foot with the way they anounced it however and I have no idea how anyone in their right mind thought this would end well.

Camera crew didnt tell him that there would be no televised qa session
His plan was to let people ask and get answers
So when you cut out the actual answers and people run off...
Hence the pull on stage during the finale
Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#235 - 2014-05-04 08:25:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Cheng Musana
What does you guys make believe that microtransaction would vanish with the transition from Dust-Legion? It seemed like a profitable system for CCP so far. And you have to keep in mind that they tested this system now numerous times which works like this:

-anounce event that increases SP gain
-put SP boosters which double your SP gain on the market for AUR
-see crowds of people buying sayd booster to get the max out of the event.

This worked very well so far cause you can turn something like double SP event into a quad SP event for you if you buy a advertised SP booster from CCP. Same goes for Dropsuits, weapons etc. You could buy that stuff aswell for AUR and it was avaible at a lower skill lvl. You seriously think CCP would give up a cow that they could milk forever? Just look at the dust forums, some people there spent like 600$ on that F2P game.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#236 - 2014-05-04 08:31:22 UTC
DUST will not die, it will "rot", so you could still play it, but the progression of the updates for that game will be slower. Still you will be playing better game than what DUST used to be. Relax people.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Atlantis Fuanan
Wormhole Research Inc.
#237 - 2014-05-04 08:37:43 UTC
In my opinion, LEGION is comming way to late. I'm not that interested in seeing an standalone FPS about the EVE Universe, unless the interaction between LEGION and EVE / Dust and EVE will get finaly usefull. Currently, I don't feel the impact on EVE from "the other universe".

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Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#238 - 2014-05-04 08:47:51 UTC
Why would they focus on PC? Because it would be easier to use the one platform to one universe and shared services, you turn on your pc log in and play. If you are FPS fan think about Deus Ex, you had a battlefield and you could play one instance in many ways. Add a MMorpg style of loot and market that is both flooded with items from eve online and eve legion, the ground market. I would make it that way. You could produce tanks with legion resources and eve resources combined and then sell them to ground troops, everything on pc.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#239 - 2014-05-04 09:52:18 UTC
If it's going to be stupid micro transactions, I'll still play. There was this game (wont mention name) I was in early beta then open beta. I carried a sub as it wasn't f2p. Eventually it went f2p, I ran with an f2p account and spent money. I went from spending $15/m to about $3/mo. Played another year, the community changed, it sucked, I stopped playing. I pref a nice tight community subscription game, but I'll still play if it's f2p... and probably spend very little.

They would be better off doing something like Quake Live does, and no real pay to win. Limited free and premium accounts on a sub. Yes, QL operates off of a subscription model.

I'm in it for the money

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Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#240 - 2014-05-04 10:15:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Doris Dents
Belated good move by CCP. Ever since DUST was announced as a PS3 exclusive we've been telling them it's a dreadful mistake and PC is the natural home of a game set in the EVE universe. Perhaps finally CCP will get the message that we're not dumb, we know what we want and we know what we'd pay for. You cannot just produce any old crap and expect people to happily chow down, you have to listen to your customers and fulfill their needs.