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Questions for CCP: Concerning the fallout from the Dust/Legion annouce

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#161 - 2014-05-03 17:02:49 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ok, I think Ive caught up

So...

People are Biomassing because they have PS3s?

Is that right?

thats exactly right yes.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#162 - 2014-05-03 17:06:08 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ok, I think Ive caught up

So...

People are Biomassing because they have PS3s?

Is that right?

thats exactly right yes.


All right! What do I win?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw56U_MqzXQ

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#163 - 2014-05-03 17:07:51 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ok, I think Ive caught up

So...

People are Biomassing because they have PS3s?

Is that right?

thats exactly right yes.
CCP will lose TONS of subscription money!
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#164 - 2014-05-03 17:08:59 UTC
Interesting.

I have a rather bad connection to my WiFi router right now
and it seems that posts don't show up after I clicked POST
and take around 10 seconds until they hit the forums.


Nothing I ever experienced before.
Marsha Mallow
#165 - 2014-05-03 17:10:33 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
All right! What do I win?

You can meet and greet the Dusties and offer words of sympathy while the rest of us saw away on our invisible violins. Please be sincere.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2014-05-03 17:11:42 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Interesting.

I have a rather bad connection to my WiFi router right now
and it seems that posts don't show up after I clicked POST
and take around 10 seconds until they hit the forums.


Nothing I ever experienced before.


Someone altered the Matrix...

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#167 - 2014-05-03 17:18:56 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
offer words of sympathy
Please be sincere.


Given my feelings on this matter;

that, my friend, would be an oxymoron

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#168 - 2014-05-03 17:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project's Alt
KuroVolt wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Interesting.

I have a rather bad connection to my WiFi router right now
and it seems that posts don't show up after I clicked POST
and take around 10 seconds until they hit the forums.


Nothing I ever experienced before.


Someone altered the Matrix...
I'm just wondering about this.

And nobody else seems to have this,
else somebody would have complained about it already.


Damn, I just realized I explained it wrong.


I click POST and the forum page loads.
But without my post on it.

It takes around ten seconds until the post actually shows up.

Unlike normally, when it shows up instantly.




edit: and this post showed up instantly ... as expected ... because I switched connection
to a much closer one, which I have much better connectivity to. to? hm. english. pffff.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#169 - 2014-05-03 18:00:15 UTC
Webvan wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Well the thing is for Dust, I don't see this changing anything for that. The reaction is full speculation. If the player base keeps playing and spending money, it moves forward. I


Dust has no player base. An MMO with peak 5k concurrency is an MMO which is going to be closed. The numbers that dust had would barely cover the costs of the hosting. Just ask David Reid, he presided over the shutting down over another FPS MMO - I know I was also there too, one of the many who lost their jobs.

Dust isn't an mmo, just connected to one. Matches are limited in participation (still 16x16?). It doesn't have all the overhead a traditional mmo server does on many levels. Quake Live has survived and developed on fewer active players, it's not an mmo either. It's technical-heresy to call Dust an mmo. I've played a number of sub-based MMOFPS' for years, and I know a bit about server architecture for mmo's, hands on. Dust is no mmo and it's servers are nowhere close to as demanding as one.


For all intent and purpose, Dust will function like an MMO - it will have all the same services. The overheads aren't as great as one with a proper player base but it still requires plenty of hardware, bandwidth and a NOC department to keep it all going.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#170 - 2014-05-03 18:06:57 UTC
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Webvan wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Webvan wrote:
Well the thing is for Dust, I don't see this changing anything for that. The reaction is full speculation. If the player base keeps playing and spending money, it moves forward. I


Dust has no player base. An MMO with peak 5k concurrency is an MMO which is going to be closed. The numbers that dust had would barely cover the costs of the hosting. Just ask David Reid, he presided over the shutting down over another FPS MMO - I know I was also there too, one of the many who lost their jobs.

Dust isn't an mmo, just connected to one. Matches are limited in participation (still 16x16?). It doesn't have all the overhead a traditional mmo server does on many levels. Quake Live has survived and developed on fewer active players, it's not an mmo either. It's technical-heresy to call Dust an mmo. I've played a number of sub-based MMOFPS' for years, and I know a bit about server architecture for mmo's, hands on. Dust is no mmo and it's servers are nowhere close to as demanding as one.


For all intent and purpose, Dust will function like an MMO - it will have all the same services. The overheads aren't as great as one with a proper player base but it still requires plenty of hardware, bandwidth and a NOC department to keep it all going.



what this is ,is ccp twigged that bungie are leaving a gaping hole in the market and ccp having done dust should be in a great position to fill it.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#171 - 2014-05-03 18:08:01 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Interesting.

I have a rather bad connection to my WiFi router right now
and it seems that posts don't show up after I clicked POST
and take around 10 seconds until they hit the forums.


Nothing I ever experienced before.


Someone altered the Matrix...
I'm just wondering about this.

And nobody else seems to have this,
else somebody would have complained about it already.


Damn, I just realized I explained it wrong.


I click POST and the forum page loads.
But without my post on it.

It takes around ten seconds until the post actually shows up.

Unlike normally, when it shows up instantly.




edit: and this post showed up instantly ... as expected ... because I switched connection
to a much closer one, which I have much better connectivity to. to? hm. english. pffff.

Shockedforum lag.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#172 - 2014-05-03 19:46:13 UTC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXc-Ka65QI

From the dust community, what is left of it anyway.
Aria Jimbojohnson
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2014-05-03 19:51:34 UTC
The funny part is, if CCP *does* transfer skills and assets over from DUST players to Legion, it will probably hurt their influx of new players. It could turn out like current DUST, where "vets" proto-stomp all of the newbies into such a bad experience that they consider the game a lost cause.
Marsha Mallow
#174 - 2014-05-03 19:52:40 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXc-Ka65QI

From the dust community, what is left of it anyway.

P

You can stay. And whoever made that. Grab their stuff before they biomass and leg it.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#175 - 2014-05-03 20:20:19 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QXc-Ka65QI

From the dust community, what is left of it anyway.

P

You can stay. And whoever made that. Grab their stuff before they biomass and leg it.

One of us
One of us

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#176 - 2014-05-03 20:53:20 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.


I'm a little confused as to why people are getting so upset over a game that is free to download and play?

This isn't minecraft where you literally paid for a beta that never got finished - you don't have to spend a dime and you're an idiot if you ever did.
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2014-05-03 21:02:46 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

Given the sad state of dust game play (I've been playing since closed beta, on the community and promises), it isn't really a stretch to say that dust is a legion beta.


I'm a little confused as to why people are getting so upset over a game that is free to download and play?

This isn't minecraft where you literally paid for a beta that never got finished - you don't have to spend a dime and you're an idiot if you ever did.

I think we are mostly mad that we are idiots, talked ourselves into supporting dust and CCP, and now can't believe it when what was always going to happen actually happened. I stand among them, I put over 100$ dollars into CCP's wallet to fund this idea of theirs.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#178 - 2014-05-03 21:28:45 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
They haven't said anything about how or if our assets will transfer over from DUST *IF* they scrap DUST for Legion.
Please loosen your tinfoil hats a little, and calm down. Trust CCP to not screw themselves over.


CCP doesn't exactly have a good track record over the years with making decisions that weren't as good as shooting themselves in the leg the day before a marathon. I'm not really concerned about this whole, dust burnout, shift to legion, but I wouldn't be surprised if CCP digs themselves a hole that the EvE playerbase is on the line for digging them out of.
Marsha Mallow
#179 - 2014-05-03 21:34:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
I think we are mostly mad that we are idiots, talked ourselves into supporting dust and CCP, and now can't believe it when what was always going to happen actually happened. I stand among them, I put over 100$ dollars into CCP's wallet to fund this idea of theirs.

I bought this character and various others to MINE several years ago. I multiboxed them for a few hours, noticed I despise mining, then awoxed a corpie who was irritating me and had to spend years re-training for combat. And they have shameful names, all of them. Everyone makes mistakes. The 'character test' is when you recognise it, laugh and move on.

The community here is awesome btw, despite being abrasive. I've played a few things since and nothing comes close. Other gaming forums are dominated by ADD kids and ingame isn't much better (I really want to loot them).

I am genuinely sorry you and the rest of the Dusties were messed about though. It was handled badly, and I do feel especially sorry for the Dust players who went to Fanfest. It's just a game though. It should be about the community rather than the mechanics v0v

We can't apologise for CCP, they need to. We did arm wave.

But anyway - can you put a post up on the dusty forum asking for stuffs? Or is it account/character bound ? If it is, something else to shake fist at CCP over.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2014-05-04 02:43:22 UTC
Canning DUST is something that people probably should have expected from the beginning.
Getting DUST people to come to Fanfest, hyping up the future of their game, and then telling them essentially that it was just a failed experiment, is really poor form.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)