EVE General Discussion

CCP Greyscal wrote:


The statement above has been made several times over the past couple of years. I think it's complete BS and CCP should stop insulting its customers' intelligence. More importantly CCP needs to stop using it as a reason to continually nerf w-space in an incremental fashion as they have been since w-space's deployment.

There are currently 2,500 w-space systems (if memory serves me correct), much of it accessible only through random wormhole connections effectively requiring one to traverse ever changing corridors in a maze in order to reach them and conversely return to k-space. That's an awful lot of territory which is difficult to access purely for day trippers. The difficulties in farming C4's and up require team work with sizable fleets. The logistics required for all this, of course, is not something one superfluously commits to the void. You're literally talking about moving in billions of isk in materials and equipment. Setting up POS's properly requires the better part of a day with people working around the clock (or it has before the changes to anchoring), or several days for just one person. These are not tasks that lend themselves to frequent movement aka short term habitation. My BS meter approaches the red zone just thinking about CCP's statements.

Cap escalations in sleeper sites are the surest sign that w-space, from its conception, was intended for long term habitation. I mean, who the **** is going to day trip in caps? If you've ever been in a C5 or C6 you'll know that most of them static to other c5's or c6's. You can literally spend hours trying to find your way out of them, if at all until your luck changes. Are you going to commit a cap fleet to such uncertainty? I think not. The BS meter just pegged out in the red.

The click fest that is PI. Noone in their right mind is going to setup and dismantle PI on a daily, weekly or monthly basis, nor are they going to commit +1 billion in floating, undefended assets in PCO's that they intend to leave. My BS meter just drowned in BS.

So, CCP, stop telling us w-space was never intended for long term habitation. Stop using this BS excuse to continually justify either nerfs to our space that are obviously intended to buff nullsec or that are used to excuse poorly implemented mechanics when you guys are too lazy to consider w-space. For many of us w-space is our end game. This is where we want to be. We don't require a lot. We just don't want you to screw up what we've got going for us.

For instance, your nerfing api calls on recent jumps while leaving api calls for recent NPC kills...flat out spiteful. We're used to a lack of intel out here, see "no local". This change has effectively made inhabitants MORE vulnerable. API intel was never perfect but at least one could tell if a fleet had jumped into system, even if they're cloaky. But, again, as with the increase in ship scanner range and the lingering of anomalies up to 30 minutes after they have despawned, you just keep finding ways to give aggressors ever increasing chances to succeed as if not knowing they were their in the first place wasn't enough. It's not the lack of intel that irks me here. It's the imbalance of intel in favor of an attacker(s). If it had been applied to the whole of the game, FINE, COOL, GREAT. But no, you applied it to w-space only? Please remove all API intel for w-space. That I can live with. W-space being a complete black hole for intel suits me just fine. But, placing a dinner bell at every new WH that opens up to alert the hounds just beyond...IDK...pretty lame of you CCP. I mean, hell, when is that no local in null going to happen? Hmm?

So, stop using this BS excuse of short term w-space habitation as justification to continually f.uck us, mmm'kay?

I am not trying to be "Conan the Contrarian" here, but I stopped reading at this point in your post:



I bolded the word there.


Were wormholes meant to be so heavily farmed and occupied with these "carebear deathstars"? We see the spawn rates of sites drop significantly when they are farmed, already an indication that making house in wormholes is not entirely the intention. There is a reason why these are unknown systems in the first place.

The colonization of WH systems - and the appearance of customs offices there - are as intention and immersion breaking to the concept of wormholes as Incursion grinding is to the concept of incursions. Both equal huge ISK faucets. Wormholes were great ideas of no-mans land full of chance and mystery, but now you find POSes all over the place and occasionally bubbles too. It's like finding a new frontier and in a year there are strip malls everywhere.

lol @ API-whiners

It was a stupid meta-game tool that should have never existed, good riddance. Wormholes don't register jumps, they are not man-built stargates.

Read again



and again until you understand.

And then once more.


- Roime

W-space is not a carebear environment. If it is then null is Disney World. Does not nullsec inhabitants farm rats, farm complexes, farm moon goo?

There is a quantifiable imbalance of intel available for w-space. If you can't/won't recognize that, then who gives a crap about your opinion?

The thing is... even though the original intent may not have been to have wormholes have permanent inhabitants, the fact of the matter is that they do now, and if you really step back and look at it it's an amazingly wonderful aspect of Eve gameplay, and vitally needed in a game where the "other" end game is the mega-alliance cotrolled and dominated world of empire null space. Where null is the mega-cities of Eve, wormholes are the frontier regions that a certain few throughout the history of our species dared to venture into and colonize. Wormholes are the "out of Africa" of our ancient ancestors. They're the "New World" Columbus accidentally bumped into. They're the unsettled west, the gold rush to California. Not all things happen by intent, but by our very nature.

It's high time that folks at CCP at least do nothing more than acknowledge that they, and to hell with anyone that disagrees with me on this, they got wormholes RIGHT! They frakking nailed it, at least for the population looking for that frontier style of staking your own claim and MAKING IT STICK!. We all don't want to kiss the ring of the Godfathers of Null, regardless of what incentives or punishments are imposed on us. We LIKE the challenges there are with the limited and varying accesses, the different groups you'll run into on a daily basis, the lack of local and free intel. Acknoledge this CCP! You ******* did it right, and it's beautiful! Acknowledge you did it so well that we HAVE to live here permanently! Gods, if I didn't have to go to Empire for materials and fuels and to sell things I'd probably never go, you did it so well!

I hope Mr. Kidd will forgive me with a bit of disagreement with him on the removal of API jump data... I kind of like it. It adds to wormholes by subtraction. Adds a little more frontier, a little more danger. With this particular change, we'll be fine I think.

But C'mon CCP... embrace what you've created and what it's turned to. This is the best damned part of the game. Tell us you see this, you recognize it, and you'll respect at least our rights and abilities to stay and make it work through the challenges the rest of the game does have or need to face.

Tell us you see this, and you understand and accept it. That's all I ask. Keep it in mind with future decisions. We don't want it softened, nerfed, made easier... just respected as our way of life in Eve.

All the kills show you is when someone went in and killed Sleepers. More often than not that means someone else had a connection to that system and their people went in and ran the sites as opposed to their own. We always tend to keep our holes clean (many of us at least...) simply because it keeps out the temptation of outsiders coming in and running them for us. We get a juicy static, that's a money hole. You'll see the spike in kills in their system, not ours, and it's usually when they're asleep, not when they're active keeping us out.

Seriously CCP has to do this.

A new capital ship, able to cloak, refit and refuel ships, as well as provide basic cloning support.

Ship remains vulnerable when it operates, but can stay cloaked in other case. This ship should serve as mobile warp base.

Not strong or solid like pos, but large enough to have ships docked to it outside. It should make the life of colonists possible, make logistics simpler.

One can change ammo, run ammunition assembly, refit, repair, recharge cap, produce nano-paste. Can have corporate storage and system wide scanning. Cloaks if in danger.

This Capital must be below POS in price to buy one, running costs should be minimized. It should offer habitation for pilots and harbor for flleet. Have very basic recycling and ammunition/drone assembly.

Pls, also make motherships able to produce fighters on board. At increased costs.

I know that i disagree with this guy more often than not but I just have to /sign this.

o/ John

Should be, should be... not always is though. Some major crazy ops you never know who got the final blow (and the KM) and often it's the person that was tired, just logged off and never bothered to check.

Your general point is agreeable enough, but this line made me laugh and laugh. and laugh.

Judging from the contents of these forums in general, there isn't much intelligence to insult. That point is rather moot.