EVE General Discussion

Amarr is pvp goodness. In hands of capable pilot amarr BS outperforms many other ships.

Amarr HACs are second to none, amarr Command are very good.

Before patch eagle sucks, deimos sucks, astrate, eos - waste of time, vulture sucks, vagabond and munin are situational.

All caldari ships suck in PvP, all except falcon, which doesn't suck because of cloak. Drake is semi decent PvP slowboat, suitable for outliving the enemy. That's it.

Abaddon is the shining glory of all PvP fleets.

I agree that other races have issues too, but in general, I think Minmatar is so vastly more powerful than everthing else, that it makes playing amarr feel especially weak. Just about everyone in pvp flys minmatar, which speaks volumes.

That being said, several of the top tier t1 ships within the amarr lineup struggle against all races, not just minnies. A harby will never beat a well fit myrm and a maller will never beat a well fit thorax.

1. I fully agree here, though this has been said countless times before. Other weapons systems get bonuses to enhance them, amarr get bonuses to make the weapons viable, this is not right.

2. Being limited to em/thermal damage is fine imo. The ratio between the two types needs some slight tweaking on some crystals however (slightly more thermal, slightly less em to compensate).

3. Cap use can be annoying, but it used to be balanced since lasers were so powerful. Minor tweaking here as well, nothing major needed.

4. No comment here, as everyone knows this already.

Let's talk about their strengths.

1. My opinion of scorch is this, lasers with scorch are good. Lasers without scorch, are just decent. Take what you will from that.

2. This goes back to one of your previous points, about wasted ship bonuses to reduce laser cap use. Simply tweaking cap use and changing amarr ships to have a second *real* bonus would add a huge amount of needed variety. Yes please.

3. Switching crystals on the fly is very useful, though I would gladly give it up if it meant the other aspects of amarr ships/weapons were made more viable.

One hundred percent agree with you

Read my lips :P

Amarr is Op at FLEET COMBAT, you know that, I know that we all know that. The whole approach amarr has (armor tanked, slowish, ridiculous range and dps) means it's a beast in fleet combat and less good at solo pvp. Again, apart from a very few ships (omen needs PG and as said maller/proph need to be missile based) there is nothing wrong with amarr, just don't try to use them in a scenario that they don't do well in. All races (bar Minnie) have this issue.

There's things Amarr isn't good at, which is GOOD and as it SHOULD be. Go talk to a megathron pilot about how well he does in fleets, or Caldari BS pilot for that matter. Have a look as the dps a caracal does and the limitations the Moa has or how about the Eagle or Cerb. Gallente STILL isn't any good and Amarr is STILL much better in most respects (mostly due to silly range on pulses/scorch).

Stop complaining about the few things Amarr isn't good at because they're damn well OP in everything else and there's 2 other races who have far more issues.

No

Ohh, you're that guy that tries to be witty on forums for laughs.

You know, everyone can say Amarr this good and that great in fleet! Or even Amarr rocks because Caldari sucks! Anything!
Where are the facts?!


Let's say I'm a carebear like 80% or even 90% of people in this game and I don't give a sh*t about fleet combat or any pvp.
Why my lasers suck at pve?! Why guristas and angels have some uber EM resist and I happend to be bound to that type of damage on almost every good PvE ship?
Why other 3 races rock to juice in PvE and my race doesnt?!

Since we all love this spreadsheet game here another one you lads saying that amarr are fine need to see:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ammunition_&_Charges:Frequency_Crystals:Standard_Crystals:Medium

Check the base shield/armor damage statistics. It seems that lasers do half the base damage to armor when compared to shields and that is, imho, the biggest drawback when it comes to these lovely beams of death.

Also, keep in mind that lasers(pulses) have the highest fitting requirements out of all turrets, highest cap usage, highest number of different ammo types (which all give you a separate optimal) but curiously still stuck with mostly em damage, poor tracking (lowest of all close range turrets) etc...

If you'r flying a harb with heavy pulses (used extensively in the thread as an example) then all a faster (almost all of them are) opponent needs to do is get into a 2km or less orbit and you won't be able to hit the guy. And then you'r stuck with not hitting **** and having a measly 800mm plate on.

So, the problems with amarr are the lasers and their fitting requirements, cap use, lack of high thermal damage crystals and quite ****** tracking.

Furthermore EFT warriors with crappy fitting skills.