Warfare & Tactics

It's a pretty dumb mechanic but when you post like this it makes me want to drop a character out of GoonWaffe for a little bit and see if I can wring any more tears out of the towel.

Nice, thanks for the understanding. It's nice to know the people in Eve are so sweet.....?

EVE is unique in that it's a game that allows and often encourages players to be assholes to each other for little or no cause. As an industrialist, getting random wars declared on you by people who want to farm your miners is going to be fact of life, and there is no shortage of people who will blow you up in hisec without even bothering to go through that formality.

You have two choices:

1. Quit. If playing in this kind of environment isn't something you want to do, then EVE is probably going to be a stressful experience that culminates with you getting half your net worth blown up in one ratting ship / overstuffed hauler and ragequitting.

2. Adapt. EVE is worthwhile as an MMO primarily because of the unrestrained consequences of player interaction. Learn the steps you can take to protect yourself (they exist), and learn how to exploit people who don't for your own advantage.

I find it interesting you have this opinion. Lets make some comparisons

Carebears make their isk from shooting non-threatening rocks/NPCS consistantly with no danger
Mercs make their isk actively tracking and hunting players that have the ability to fight back

(This assumes these people aren't just camping trade hubs, which if they do they are no real threat)

Why is my way of playing the game less valid then yours simply because you do not want to learn the game and defend yourself? There is NO excuse for carebears not learning to pvp. If you cannot defend yourself or your assets in EvE you have no right to have them.

If every 20, 30, or 40man mission/indy corp trained their members to pvp then you would be a hell of a lot safer. Learn the damn game instead of complaining, or leave.

To OP: I suggest to logoff toon in faster-warp rigged inty in the next sytem and then just jump and warp with neut alt.. hell ive catched few ventures like this

And off topic, hs wars are cool, as a person who tried almost everything in eve, im now enjoying hs wars against newbies in hs, good talks on ts with friends, wts provides more tears than newborn with lemon and in the end of the day, i spend most of my eve time travelling around and chatting and actuall shooting is just the bonus..and be honest, most of us play it because of the ppl, not because eve is THAT awesome

All about the tears, And with your comments I would say that the aggressors are getting their wish granted. Hell I'm even considering putting in a war on you now for the laugh.

But in all seriousness, High-Sec PvP in eve isn't dead, Its just most people are too lazy to look for it. War decs provide me many a kill

Edit: Either the above or they do the typical **** of camping a poor 1 man in station, If he's an indy character he is blatantly going to avoid conflict so the "Camping and asking them to fight" method is flawed to such a point only true morons would actually do it, Unless of course you're getting paid to do it

Alice and Bob sit down to play a game of Monopoly. Alice utilizes the rules of the game to purchase properties she lands on, and, eventually, to throw up houses and hotels on those properties.

Bob just rolls the dice, does laps around the board, and collects his $200 and the occasional community chest/chance card as he goes. Eventually Bob realizes that about the best thing that can happen to him is landing on the "Go To Jail" square - anywhere else he lands is going to cost him a fortune. Bob flips over the board in a huff, and heads to the Monopoly forums to lodge a complaint, something to the effect of:



Ridiculous, right? If you quit the game because you don't like being wardecced, it's not because someone chased you out of the game - it's because you don't actually LIKE the game in the first place. You like maybe 5-10% of the game, and only when you can experience that fraction of the game without outside interference. The thing is, nothing in Eve transpires in a vacuum (cue space jokes!). You want to think that your purely industrial activities are harmless to other players, but they're not. You're a competitor in a marketplace. Every bit of ore you're prevented from mining means quicker sales and better prices for someone else who can capitalize on the fact that you're no longer supplying the market. Every ship of yours that's destroyed means new demand for replacement ships, and the materials that went into them.

You're effectively asserting that YOU should be allowed to interfere with other players by way of the market and mining game mechanics, but other players should not be allowed to interfere with you by way of the combat and wardec mechanics - an obviously hypocritical position that at best will get you nowhere, and at worst will earn you a few new spite wardecs purely because that level of hypocrisy tends to rile people up.

So, you have two options:

1. You can quit, yes. Understand, though, that you didn't quit because some other player made you - you quit because you don't actually like the game as a whole.

2. You can start actually playing the game as a whole, instead of trying to play 5% of it and getting miffed when other people engage in the other 95% that you dislike. There are a thousand and one ways you could do this, including but not limited to:

-Dodging the wardec by bailing to an NPC corp. Not a particularly sexy solution, but it's there.
-Hiring mercenaries to take the fight to them.
-Relocating to a different area, possibly even going to low sec, null sec, or wormhole space.
-Joining with a larger corp that might be able to defend you or, at least, offer some guidance on defending yourself.

And, possibly best:

Fitting up some combat ships and fighting back! It looks like you tried, but you chose poorly in using large, poorly fit, expensive battleships when you should have been using cheap, well fit frigates and cruisers. Call it a learning experience and do better next time. Consider joining a different corp where you can actually learn from more experienced players before setting off on your own, as well.

Dotn stay with your main at same system he is IN For starters. Waht him with an alt and follow. Try to get him in a system without a station.

Well said, makes me wish forum posts weren't buried in nonsense within a few hours. Quoting it so maybe a few more will see it!

Exactly.
Had an issue with a miner and I wardecced him. It ended up serving as a warning and he has since switched into Procurers to mine.

If only I had gone for a suicide gank instead, his Coveter would be dead right now.

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OP: If you are starting a high-sec industrial corporation in EVE Online, the characters in the corporation should be diplomatic alts of the ISK makers. Your miners, mission runners and the like should be out of corp. The only exception is if you are willing to stop PVEing entirely for the sake of PVPing.

People fail to understand this, that is the problem.