EVE General Discussion

the keynote speech where scarpia was talking about a future vision, a design philosophy? he did NOT say all npc stations would be desructible. he did NOT say there was design in the works regarding this. he was talking about an idea.

even then, talking about player-built stations being destructible is NOT the same as your highsec holocaust

fozzie is on the same team as ytterbium. iirc ytterbium's the senior of the two. besides that, ytterbium of anyone would know about something as big as capitals being allowed in highsec. no-one said 'we'll let caps in highsec'. you have NO reason to believe capitals'd be allowed in and a very good source saying they won't.

but you decided to go full tinfoil and accuse him of lying to manipulate subscription numbers.

you're making ridiculous assumptions out of nothing.

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Thread derp levels reaching critical intensity.

I think OP might be an IZ alt.

YOU CAN'T VALIDATE A CONSPIRACY THEORY WITH OLDER, UNRELATED CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

No conspiracy theory to it. They admit after the fact they remove the stuff. Look up Mining Drone: Elite, best example I can think of off the top of my head.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=945853#post945853

I just wish Benny would take a breather. Maybe go WATCH the feed or something. The idea that events are moving along between page 01 and page 05 seems to elude him. I've been going back and editing OP as information come to light. This is a consolidated concerns thread. Given that this is eve, it's gonna get a bit weird because not everyone sees things quite the same.

In all honesty, I'm surprised that certain posters have NOT turned up. (Dinsdale)

It doesnt matter, they intentionally led on within a month of the announcement of Legion that theyw ere still developing all of the things for DUST they then said would never be in DUST, they were still holding Aurum-centric competitions and events, and then proceeded to tell them all the years, progress, money, and effort they put into DUST didnt matter, and that they would then be required to buy another platform if they wanted to play the DUST they had been promised.

CCP ahs already made bad blood, and there are already posts and articles popping up aroudn the net about CCP "backstabbing a playerbase" and how they shouldnt be trusted. And the DUST players themselves have stated a desire to do everything in their power to drag Legion down and try to prevent its success, because CCP stated their efforts will no longer relate to EVE, and every EVE based promise they had would no longer be fulfillled.

Think when CCP promised feet-on-the-ground in EVE, and a couple years later we got DUST, on a separate console alot of people couldnt even play, and were told to deal with it, playerbase was less than thrilled, same is happening to the DUST community. Except with the DUST community, they no longer have their game, unlike the EVE players who could just continue playing the EVE they always had, DUST players have been informed DUST's design direction will be shifted in the direction of casual-shooter with MAYBE some features from legion spilling over, with no option to put their name/effort/progress into legion, the game they had been progressing/waiting/PAYING to play.

You realize CCP are pretty much all drunk off their asses right now? Most of them likely passed out in puddles of their own puke, where maybe they have a chance of recovering enough by tomorrow to put in another 18 hour day. I highly doubt any devs are in a position to post anything helpful right now. We have plenty of time for threadnaughts. None of that stuff is really all that urgent. Only the freighters are on any kind of close deadline, and that's still got a full month to tweak some simple numbers in a database if that will turn into a problem.

Except dust was going to die anyway, so who cares? Ok, if they handle the dust/legion hand off with anything short of perfection, yeah, CCP will look like giant douches, and legion will be DOA. But if they do pull it off, and they've got all the time in the world to get it right, pretty much anything will be forgiven. Internet news has an attention span of about 3 minutes. We've evolved into mayflies. This really isn't anywhere close to Incarna bad, where EVE itself didn't have any notable development for 2 years straight with nothing of value being created in it's stead. At least Dust has still been on it's update schedule, and CCP still has the opportunity to continue with the same level of patches... balance, content, minor bug fixes... all the stuff that will translate directly to legion when it's ready to launch. Of course, they do have an opportunity to screw it up as well, but that's always been true.

There isn't a lot they can say to quiet a media shitstorm, except to tell whatever lies they think people want to hear, which EVE players don't tolerate that well. They are really probably better off to let the noise burn itself out, and then to just prove them wrong. I'm more concerned about their actual ability to prove people wrong, but it's still not an urgent thing.

edit: I guess my own biggest concern is whether or not all the industry changes, some of which are arbitrary, some of which are nerfs, some of which are kinda useful, really will lead to a sov system that doesn't suck, like seagull promised. I have no end of cynicism about that. I'm convinced sov, and it's associated charlie-foxtrot, is what will kill EVE. But at least the fanfest laid out that this is step 1 of attempting to work on it. step 2 being the corp (and I think POS) interface, and step 3 being sov. So, at least they acknowledge that it sucks and there's a plan.

so far you've jumped from 'here's a personal thought' to 'they're going to blow up everything'. when presented with a devpost confirming capitals won't be in highsec, you immediately called it a lie and demanded a different dev (on the same team) confirm it again, citing a crackpot theory about ccp trying to manipulate subs. when challenged over your lies and absurd leaps of logic, you accused me three times of being a troll or trying to manipulate you into banning yourself. you've cited past miscommunications as indication of ccp conspiracy. you've attempted to use 'isd didn't lock my thread' as validation for your rumourmongering. now you're accusing me of not having heard ccp scarpia talk. which i have. he didn't say 'everything will be destructible'.

you haven't yet validated your 'concerns' as anything other than wild speculation