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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#81 - 2014-05-03 00:50:19 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
When they announce things that make sense or follow the logical reasoning, I accept what they have to say. When they tell me something that does not add up though, I do tend to view it with mistrust. How's your experience walking in Station in EvE going? Done any atmospheric flight lately in a Crow?

Well that's how I feel about the whole 'Destroy everything' statement. I don't think it's going to happen, therefore, no caps in high-sec.

Oh god.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#82 - 2014-05-03 00:54:05 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:

Well that's how I feel about the whole 'Destroy everything' statement. I don't think it's going to happen, therefore, no caps in high-sec.



As I say right in the OP, you're most likely right. But it doesn't mean that they will not take steps in that direction with player built structures like POS. Which are being let off the leash in this upcoming expansion and will be allowed to be put up by anyone pretty much anywhere (bar Jita, etc). Given that, Dreads in high sec, at least, make perfect sense given that the overall directive is industry is a tool to increase conflict.
Marsha Mallow
#83 - 2014-05-03 00:56:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:

As mentioned earlier, give the Dusties some free Legion stuff on launch or pat them on the head and send them away. Not sure I care, or how much damage their whining can do.


Quite a bit, depending on how CCP handles it. Also, your derision for your fellow gamers is showing.

I'm an Eve player. What do you expect.

Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

No, not really. When they announce things that make sense or follow the logical reasoning, I accept what they have to say. When they tell me something that does not add up though, I do tend to view it with mistrust. How's your experience walking in Station in EvE going? Done any atmospheric flight lately in a Crow?

And yet all of the announcements so far do seem to make sense, and seem fairly reasonable.
WiS = don't care. Atmospheric flight = would like, but not arsed.
I play Eve Online, A Terrible Game™, not Waiting For Something New & Whining Incessantly™
They can promise all they like at Fanfest, I rarely watch it or pay attention. It's a marketing exercise and a social gathering. Nothing is set in stone that is tentatively announced there. I tend to wait for patch notes.

Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:

i'm not seeing any examples. you're accusing a dev of lying, you're drawing conclusions from unclear statements, you're making up alarmist fairy stories.


And we both know that ISD would delete the post if I did, so what's the point? You'd be able to keep making these posts, and I wouldn't be able to say anything back, Which is, I might point out, exactly your game, and sorry, not worth my time.


ISD don't delete Dinsdale. You are free to arm wave. Just don't be surprised if people giggle and pull faces at you while you do.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#84 - 2014-05-03 00:57:02 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Dreads in high sec, at least, make perfect sense given that the overall directive is industry is a tool to increase conflict.

It's the complete opposite of perfect sense. Why would CCP make industry accessible and encourage all players to set up POSes by removing standing requirements, just to open the floodgates for null alliances and griefers to come and war-dec every month-old player trying to get started in the game with a fleet of caps? It would be a disaster.

Oh god.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2014-05-03 01:00:06 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:

i'm not seeing any examples. you're accusing a dev of lying, you're drawing conclusions from unclear statements, you're making up alarmist fairy stories.


And we both know that ISD would delete the post if I did, so what's the point? You'd be able to keep making these posts, and I wouldn't be able to say anything back, Which is, I might point out, exactly your game, and sorry, not worth my time.

you did. you outright called ccp ytterbium a liar. and accusing me of having a 'game' doesn't help you.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2014-05-03 01:13:49 UTC
i'm fine with concerns. but wild, negative speculation being called a 'concern' and spread alongside deliberate perpetuation of falsehoods i'm not fine with.

freighters will NOT carry caps into highsec.

and 'everything will be destructible' is speculation based on a comment open to interpretation.

this is just unfounded nonsense.

as for dust i have no idea what they're so unhappy about. bugger the lot of them
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#87 - 2014-05-03 01:15:06 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:

It's the complete opposite of perfect sense. Why would CCP make industry accessible and encourage all players to set up POSes by removing standing requirements, just to open the floodgates for null alliances and griefers to come and war-dec every month-old player trying to get started in the game with a fleet of caps? It would be a disaster.


Well, two things. One, and I'll use goons as an example, let's say that Goonswarm decided to do just that. Even with the existing limits on towers, do you know how many corps there are with towers in highsec? In the twenty odd high sec systems I frequent in those parts of my monthly orbit through eve, there are almost two hundred different corps with towers up. You remember their big drive to kill pocos? There are a hell of a lot fewer than that, and they got bored pretty fast, even though they easily have the firepower to put them in reenforced mode in a few min.

I've sat there myself and ground on structures. It's not fun.

Two, assuming the rules for cynos do NOT change, having to haul all your cap ships by freighter (which limits it to dreads and carriers) puts the kibosh on huge cap fleets like most of the guys you're talking about like to hot drop. That in and of itself means that they're unlikely. Having listened to them whine about making a single run with a load of ammo in a relatively fast blockaid runner, imagine the whining to move 50 dreads and assorted gear via freighter. Particularly if suicide gankers get wind of it.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#88 - 2014-05-03 01:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Yeah, you make a good point. Every cap ship would have to be carried through every gate by a freighter. Ridiculous.

Fair enough, I mean I guess if CCP wanted to seriously limit cap use in high-sec, that would be one way to do it, but I'm not convinced.

Oh god.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#89 - 2014-05-03 01:20:51 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
i'm fine with concerns. but wild, negative speculation being called a 'concern' and spread alongside deliberate perpetuation of falsehoods i'm not fine with.

freighters will NOT carry caps into highsec.

and 'everything will be destructible' is speculation based on a comment open to interpretation.

this is just unfounded nonsense.

as for dust i have no idea what they're so unhappy about. bugger the lot of them


Hmm. Considering reporting for rumor mongering.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mark Munoz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-05-03 01:27:01 UTC
I for one hope they allow the option for packaged capitals in weakened freighters. Honestly I don't see the big deal either, let them be transported through all space, but can only be assembled in space under .5. It would solve the issues with capitals being in hi sec and would add an interesting dynamic for moving assets around in space.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#91 - 2014-05-03 01:28:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Mark Munoz wrote:
I for one hope they allow the option for packaged capitals in weakened freighters. Honestly I don't see the big deal either, let them be transported through all space, but can only be assembled in space under .5. It would solve the issues with capitals being in hi sec and would add an interesting dynamic for moving assets around in space.


This might be doable too. and I'm not just saying that because you share a name with a cousin of mine.

Marsha Mallow wrote:

I'm an Eve player. What do you expect.


So am I. But I'm also smart enough to see a serious potential issue in the making. This could be a serious PR issue with the FPS crowd, which in turn leads to another failed game for CCP (Legion) which bites us here at EvE in the ass with layoffs and reduced dev time.


Marsha Mallow wrote:

ISD don't delete Dinsdale.


Actually...

There are certain subjects that are an almost guaranteed post delete. Talking about moderation, talking about GM/Devs corruption in a non-vague actual examples with proof way (not the arm wavy vague sort of crap Dinsdale does), misbehavior by members of CCP staff and Petitions.

Or did you not notice that the thread on closing Atlanta would shrink by several pages at a time when ISD went through, or that talking about a wide variety of subjects was added to the 'grounds for ban' list for the forum here? Benny knows, he's been pressing for me ot break some of them. I chose my words very carefully to obey the letter of the law. Obvious Trap is Obvious.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2014-05-03 01:31:59 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Benny knows, he's been pressing for me ot break some of them. I chose my words very carefully to obey the letter of the law. Obvious Trap is Obvious.

no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2014-05-03 01:34:28 UTC
accusing me of posting with an agenda is a fallacy, by the way, but we can just add it to the list of falsehoods you're spreading
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#94 - 2014-05-03 01:35:15 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Benny knows, he's been pressing for me ot break some of them. I chose my words very carefully to obey the letter of the law. Obvious Trap is Obvious.

no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.


I'll be more blunt. Not even going to dance around it like I did above.

Cygnet, the entire thread should be locked for rumor mongering, you have no basis for saying most of these things, and they are leaps in logic that would make the Cheshire Cat's head spin.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#95 - 2014-05-03 01:36:25 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:

no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.


And yet, you're the one who sounds hysterical and has been trying to bait me into breaking forum rules. Let me ask, Benny, do you have a concern that isn't being addressed, or are you just trying to troll? I know a few posters pointed out that my list at the front didn't cover their concerns.

I'm told CCP Fozzie has made a statement at Fanfest about one of mine, but so far no one seems to have a good solid copy of what he said. It may in fact deal with the issue.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2014-05-03 01:36:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'll be more blunt.

i thought i was being blunt Straight
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2014-05-03 01:37:17 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:

no i'm making it clear to everyone that you're making completely unfounded accusations to spread hysterical, nonsensical garbage and this thread was never about legitimate 'concerns' at all.


And yet, you're the one who sounds hysterical and has been trying to bait me into breaking forum rules. Let me ask, Benny, do you have a concern that isn't being addressed, or are you just trying to troll?

false and no, in that order. liar.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#98 - 2014-05-03 01:39:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Cygnet, the entire thread should be locked for rumor mongering, you have no basis for saying most of these things, and they are leaps in logic that would make the Cheshire Cat's head spin.


If they weren't concerns, ISD would have locked it when they read it the first time. There were several threads talking about these exact issues following the keynote speech. Some of them may or may not have been dealt with by following speeches, etc.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#99 - 2014-05-03 01:44:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Cygnet, the entire thread should be locked for rumor mongering, you have no basis for saying most of these things, and they are leaps in logic that would make the Cheshire Cat's head spin.


If they weren't concerns, ISD would have locked it when they read it the first time. There were several threads talking about these exact issues following the keynote speech. Some of them may or may not have been dealt with by following speeches, etc.

ISD makes a judgement call, their call is not authoritative. Your OP, though, distorts facts and presents false information alongside speculation.

For example, noone said 'absolutely everything will be destructable', they said any structure might be built and destroyed. Also CCP have confirmed that caps will not enter highsec.

e: that's false. scarpia was talking about design philosophy when talking about structures.
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#100 - 2014-05-03 01:51:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Cygnet Lythanea
Benny Ohu wrote:

ISD makes a judgement call, their call is not authoritative. Your OP, though, distorts facts and presents false information alongside speculation.

For example, noone said 'absolutely everything will be destructable', they said any structure might be built and destroyed. Also CCP have confirmed that caps will not enter highsec.


Might want to review the keynote speech then. And you DO know that stations are a structure, right? and that he also included that he wanted items in station hangers to also be destructible? As far as I know, there's only one way that one would happen.

We still don't actually know on the freighter issue. The disavowal defers to Fozzie, but so far no information on that front. What he says might conflict with that. It would not be the first time that one dev said one thing and another said something else.

As I laid out previously, dreads, and possibly carriers, make a certain sense in high sec as long as they're bottlenecked somehow.


I might also point out that you're objecting to CCP in the form of ISD while taking me to task to doubting CCP in the form of Devs.