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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Gallente Talos

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Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#301 - 2011-11-12 20:49:18 UTC
Brutix is an armor tank ship which is kinda why it's fail. Not enough pg to fit tank and a decent rack of guns. It's win when you go outside the box and sheild tank it with neutrons.

Cane is a gun ship, it can go armor or sheild each with advantages and disadvantages. Talos seems be heading that direction to. There's no doubt it's got issues like all galente do but I'm getting my optimistic about it. ( TBH it needs an armor resist bonus but CCP seems to feel that's Win-Amar's territory. )

Keep experimenting, I bet there's a couple of other win combo's yet to be found.
Temuken Radzu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#302 - 2011-11-14 20:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Temuken Radzu
newest patch on singularity: Talos got his drone bay back :)
dunno if he got better then before
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#303 - 2011-11-14 22:01:03 UTC
Temuken Radzu wrote:
newest patch on singularity: Talos got his drone bay back :)
dunno if he got better then before



Shield tank, mwd 2 TE's 3 MFS's, all gank, no tank.

Miners terror
BooooooBeeeeeer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#304 - 2011-11-15 08:50:24 UTC
Quote:
Here is the latest update on these ships:

NAGA

Missile role removed, now focuses as a hybrid platform
10% Torpedo velocity per level swapped for 5% to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level


As pointed out, even with the velocity bonus, torpedoes have a too short of a range to be useful in practical situation with the Naga since it has the lowest mobility of all tier 3 battlecruisers and quite poor defensive options. Aligning this ship into a missile platform would have required a long range option as well, meaning the use of cruise missiles, which created a certain number of issues.

Specializing for a hybrid long range platform made more sense with the Naga role, which is why the damage bonus was appealing, especially when combined with CCP Tallest changes; it also makes more sense regarding Caldari tier philosophy, where highest tech 1 tiers usually are hybrid platforms (Merlin, Moa, Rokh).


TALOS

25m3 dronebay and bandwidth added


Even if quite in opposition with the tier 3 battlecruiser role design, it adds an edge this ship needs over the other variants, especially since the Naga now it does the same damage with Hybrids. So, while we are looking at the blaster situation, we agreed giving the Talos a bit more survability against smaller threats was a good compromise for the time being.


TORNADO

Large Projectile Turret Falloff reduced from 10 to 5% per level


The reason for this reduction was mainly due to the range falloff reaches on autocannons when combined with the proper rigs, Barrage and Tracking Enchancers, dwarfing blasters in the close range department; we will see how the situation evolves and possibly make further changes to compensate.

Also, please note some small powergrid/CPU changes may happen to the tier 3 battlecruisers in the next build.


Drone Bay in Talos, fine, but why give bonus damage Naga hybrids? I do not understand, then what will stand out Talos?
David Xavier
The Capsuleers of Unconscious Thought
#305 - 2011-11-16 09:21:08 UTC
Now a lone frigate may have to pop the drones before blowing the Talos up :)

I don't suffer from insanity.. I enjoy it !
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#306 - 2011-11-16 12:09:55 UTC
David Xavier wrote:
Now a lone frigate may have to pop the drones before blowing the Talos up :)


Actually it's useful to (try) jam guys on your logistics, I mean if you manage to stay alive long enough to launch your drones and shoot some stuff, don't worry carrying much ammo anyway, it will die fast but if it's in range he will harm (the 1te 4mfs is my favourite paper think gank tool)

Hi miners Lol
Cap Tyrian
Guiding Hand Social Club
#307 - 2011-11-16 16:41:20 UTC
Look at the euphoria this relevant change created, all these tears of joy from countless gallente pilots thinking, finally someone has understood our needs.
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#308 - 2011-11-16 19:14:18 UTC
Can someone post the final sisi stats for the Talos please.

With the sudden change to the Naga I'm wondering what good the Talos is aside from being super sexy. It can't sheild tank anywhere near as well as the Naga and it can't armor tank as well as the Mentor and I'm doubtfull it's as fast as the Tornado.

I've got BC 5 and training Large Hybrid 5 atm, is there any viable bonus that the Talos has that the Nag hasn't gotten also ?

If this is correct https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=316115 we can add insult to injury with the Talos BPO being the most expensive of the 4 and the build costs also being the highest.
Coarl
Serenity Logistics Corporation
#309 - 2011-11-16 23:24:58 UTC
Fitted the following talos setup:

8x NBCII w/Void

10MN MWDII/Warp disruptor II/WebII/med tapered cap injector (800)

MAR II/DCII/2x Magstab II/400mm RT plate

HCA I/Trimark I/A-Ex pump I

3x warrior II

Gave over 1200dps with 9.5k optimal, 11k falloff...

Tank mods are more for extra lolsurvivability really... was impressed with the damage output though Big smile
Lucas Quaan
Goryn Clade
#310 - 2011-11-19 15:25:48 UTC
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
I've got BC 5 and training Large Hybrid 5 atm, is there any viable bonus that the Talos has that the Nag hasn't gotten also ?

Tracking. If you understand why blaster ships work this is a pretty important bonus.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#311 - 2011-11-20 00:47:18 UTC
BooooooBeeeeeer wrote:
Quote:
Here is the latest update on these ships:

NAGA

Missile role removed, now focuses as a hybrid platform
10% Torpedo velocity per level swapped for 5% to Large Hybrid Turret damage per level


As pointed out, even with the velocity bonus, torpedoes have a too short of a range to be useful in practical situation with the Naga since it has the lowest mobility of all tier 3 battlecruisers and quite poor defensive options. Aligning this ship into a missile platform would have required a long range option as well, meaning the use of cruise missiles, which created a certain number of issues.

Specializing for a hybrid long range platform made more sense with the Naga role, which is why the damage bonus was appealing, especially when combined with CCP Tallest changes; it also makes more sense regarding Caldari tier philosophy, where highest tech 1 tiers usually are hybrid platforms (Merlin, Moa, Rokh).


TALOS

25m3 dronebay and bandwidth added


Even if quite in opposition with the tier 3 battlecruiser role design, it adds an edge this ship needs over the other variants, especially since the Naga now it does the same damage with Hybrids. So, while we are looking at the blaster situation, we agreed giving the Talos a bit more survability against smaller threats was a good compromise for the time being.


TORNADO

Large Projectile Turret Falloff reduced from 10 to 5% per level


The reason for this reduction was mainly due to the range falloff reaches on autocannons when combined with the proper rigs, Barrage and Tracking Enchancers, dwarfing blasters in the close range department; we will see how the situation evolves and possibly make further changes to compensate.

Also, please note some small powergrid/CPU changes may happen to the tier 3 battlecruisers in the next build.


Drone Bay in Talos, fine, but why give bonus damage Naga hybrids? I do not understand, then what will stand out Talos?


The only thing that will stand out is that you would have been better off if it was a full on heavy hiting drone carryer. But no you got handed two times the crap. Becouse CCP did not wish to fix BS missiles for Caldari and did not want to give Gallente another Good drone ship so.

And for some god knows why reason thinks a Nage is going to make a good Rail sniper against BS but how is this Fail rail sniper platform to tank the incoming dmg from the BS's there going to be sniping? So ya guys in the CCP balance department thats puff puff pass not puff puff and keep on puffing till Hybirds look like they mite work well some how in your head.

If you dont like the coolaid in the glass cup "Talos" You can now try the coolaid in the plastic cup "Naga".

So if you are one of thoughs special people that like it when CCP pushs 2x the fail Hybird ships out becouse you realy dig them kicking you in the nuts and telling you it's good and you belive them then your realy going to love this expation.Lol


Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Esker Sheep
Heavenly Armament Pavilion
Pandemic Horde
#312 - 2011-11-26 20:13:15 UTC
Imryn Xaran wrote:

If you are trying to close with a BS in one of these new BC's then you deserve what you get. BS are the counter for these ships, and will own them hard. These ships should be running from BS's and only trying to close with ships their own size or smaller.


This is what a battlecruiser should be, and how you should play it. It should be able to raid against smaller ships, and disrupt logistics, once the big boys come out to play they should run.
Stoney Balboa
Delsu Foundation
#313 - 2011-12-02 16:34:52 UTC

Imho opinion, the Talos is OP.
With a balanced fit, it gets up to 1100 dps and 45k ehp.
It's also the only tier3 BC with drones, which give it a counter vs frigs.
It does have weaknesses, its speed and range, but this does not justify such a dps and tank (and drones).
I know that gallente are tradionally droneboats, so it makes kinda sense to give drones to the Talos.
But these tier3 BCs are one special concept... capable of dashing out immense dps at the expense of defence.
The Talos is not vulnerable enough. It should be made an exception for this ship class and the drones removed.
Another acceptable way is to give all the tier3 BCs a dronebay of 25m³... Talos can have 50m³...

what ya think?...
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#314 - 2011-12-02 17:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Stoney Balboa wrote:
The Talos is not vulnerable enough. It should be made an exception for this ship class and the drones removed.
Another acceptable way is to give all the tier3 BCs a dronebay of 25m³... Talos can have 50m³...

what ya think?...



I think you have no idea what you're talking about.

Other than gank miners, other than gank inty at gates, other than gank at undocks this ship is completely useless.

You know their price atm? -around 60M, put the fit on them and you'll get a worst and more expensive hull than old gank shield Domi

You really don't have a clue what hybrids and ships rebalancing is about...

Roll
Stoney Balboa
Delsu Foundation
#315 - 2011-12-02 18:05:36 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Stoney Balboa wrote:
The Talos is not vulnerable enough. It should be made an exception for this ship class and the drones removed.
Another acceptable way is to give all the tier3 BCs a dronebay of 25m³... Talos can have 50m³...

what ya think?...



I think you have no idea what you're talking about.

Other than gank miners, other than gank inty at gates, other than gank at undocks this ship is completely useless.

You know their price atm? -around 60M, put the fit on them and you'll get a worst and more expensive hull than old gank shield Domi

You really don't have a clue what hybrids and ships rebalancing is about...

Roll



How bout u come up with some facts why this ship is so useless.
Saying 'u have no clue' is easy.
Machti Nutako
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#316 - 2011-12-03 07:20:57 UTC
Just got myself a tornado, just gonna have to make some more isk for a talos :) Ive found that Shield nano fitting these bcs is the best way to do it.