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Summary of Concerns (Let's consolidate)

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Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-05-02 22:50:50 UTC
There's no way they're going to let people run around blowing up trade hubs. "Everything", after all, can't mean EVERYTHING. The stars? Planets, moons?

There won't be cap ships in high-sec, this has already been confirmed in an F&I thread but I'm too lazy to dig for a link...

I'm skeptical of the new development cycle but if they can make it work it might really liven things up.
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-05-02 22:51:03 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
TedStriker wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.



Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?) and then fails to see that in large releases you can't test dependencies like you can with "on the go" releases of finished stuff.
Its way better not to throw everything together 2 weeks before you have to release it.

I can make tables in HTML. IT professional level > 9000


I do C++ if I can help. I also run a SQL (Squirrel noob) sanctuary.
You don't know Cygnet, I guess...

Well ... that's him.


He's no use, but please treat him nicely anyway.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-05-02 22:51:04 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Summary*


Thanks.


Get that face out of here.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#24 - 2014-05-02 22:51:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
"Freighters with rigs".

If they don't nerf them to compensate, they'll I'll be bringing caps into highsec.

You already mentioned this, but there is no way in the Seven Hells that this will happen without compensating nerfs. Honestly no clue why it's even being considered.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-05-02 22:52:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"Freighters with rigs".

If they don't nerf them to compensate, they'll be bringing caps into highsec.

You already mentioned this, but there is no way in the Seven Hells that this will happen without compensating nerfs. Honestly no clue why it's even being considered.


It seems a buff to haulers - but secretly we all know they will fit cargo rigs so we all scoff behind our masks Big smile

Aaaaaaand relax.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#26 - 2014-05-02 22:53:08 UTC
Noriko Mai wrote:
TedStriker wrote:
Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?) and then fails to see that in large releases you can't test dependencies like you can with "on the go" releases of finished stuff.
Its way better not to throw everything together 2 weeks before you have to release it.

I can make tables in HTML. IT professional level > 9000


Yep. Our IT manager at work couldn't even handle it when I hijacked his 2 office printers with a simple Windows setup wizard and printed nothing but doctoral thesis on goats and goat husbandry for a whole day. He is currently the focus of my own investigation.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-05-02 22:54:08 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Summary*


Thanks.


Get that face out of here.
I don't think talking to me that way is going to help you.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-05-02 22:55:10 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Summary*


Thanks.


Get that face out of here.
I don't think talking to me that way is going to help you.


I could recommend a decent sculptor if that would help?

Aaaaaaand relax.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-05-02 22:55:48 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
TedStriker wrote:
Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?) and then fails to see that in large releases you can't test dependencies like you can with "on the go" releases of finished stuff.
Its way better not to throw everything together 2 weeks before you have to release it.

I can make tables in HTML. IT professional level > 9000


Yep. Our IT manager at work couldn't even handle it when I hijacked his 2 office printers with a simple Windows setup wizard and printed nothing but doctoral thesis on goats and goat husbandry for a whole day. He is currently the focus of my own investigation.

Shared printers is serious business.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-05-02 22:57:12 UTC
Erufen Rito wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Noriko Mai wrote:
TedStriker wrote:
Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?) and then fails to see that in large releases you can't test dependencies like you can with "on the go" releases of finished stuff.
Its way better not to throw everything together 2 weeks before you have to release it.

I can make tables in HTML. IT professional level > 9000


Yep. Our IT manager at work couldn't even handle it when I hijacked his 2 office printers with a simple Windows setup wizard and printed nothing but doctoral thesis on goats and goat husbandry for a whole day. He is currently the focus of my own investigation.

Shared printers is serious business.


Step away from the photocopier.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#31 - 2014-05-02 22:58:25 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"Freighters with rigs".

If they don't nerf them to compensate, they'll be bringing caps into highsec.

You already mentioned this, but there is no way in the Seven Hells that this will happen without compensating nerfs. Honestly no clue why it's even being considered.


It seems a buff to haulers - but secretly we all know they will fit cargo rigs so we all scoff behind our masks Big smile


I am aware of this. Despite all the highsec safety buffs over the years, CCP still can't fix stupid.

Nonetheless, this is a very odd move. If F&I they just said "I'll let Fozzie lay it out, but you won't get caps into highsec." so I am guessing they will just increase size on caps.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-05-02 22:58:42 UTC
I like that my face exactly works as it should,
while yours does exactly ... nothing.


It's you who should change your face, not me. :)


<--------------------------- My face

Your tears -----> \______________________________________________/
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-05-02 23:00:49 UTC
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
I like that my face exactly works as it should,
while yours does exactly ... nothing.


It's you who should change your face, not me. :)


<--------------------------- My face

Your tears -----> \______________________________________________/


No need to get personal mofo - I love your face. It just gives me nightmares. Jeez you are touchy for an alt.

Relax and get back on topic.

Christ. Someone needs to book into a clinic.

Aaaaaaand relax.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2014-05-02 23:07:43 UTC
still can't see why bads are flipping out over dust having a second platform. also the 'more sand in the box for dust 514' presentation is still to come
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#35 - 2014-05-02 23:09:28 UTC
TedStriker wrote:


Why do i always start to giggle when someone claims to be an "it professional" (whatever that means....its a..broad field you know?)


Ten years experience. Want to see my Comptia certs?


Sadly, I can see that, as usual, starting this thread was a wasted effort. Nice to see the trolls are taking advantage of the mods being distracted by all the drama over dust.

Hey, guys, remember the last time I started one of these threads and you came in and posted that CCP would never screw up WoD and I was just being pessimistic?

Who da thunk?
Noriko Mai
#36 - 2014-05-02 23:10:52 UTC
Jayem See wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Summary*


Thanks.


Get that face out of here.
I don't think talking to me that way is going to help you.


I could recommend a decent sculptor if that would help?


Leave Solecist Project's Alt alone

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2014-05-02 23:15:14 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Sadly, I can see that, as usual, starting this thread was a wasted effort. Nice to see the trolls are taking advantage of the mods being distracted by all the drama over dust.

we have different moderators than the dust forums, don't we?
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-05-02 23:15:41 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Ok, this is the information we have in hand, and I'm tired of people cross posting about it in several threads, so time to consolidate.

1) Everything will be destructible.

I personally do not see this happening. It would be effectively the end of high sec, if not Eve. But in order to be able to both build and destroy 'everything', then, well...

2) Freighters are being changed in a manner which would allow cap ships to be brought into high sec.

Based on what we know this *is* the case. Several people have suggested that there will be a stealth nerf of some sort to prevent this, but it dovetails too neatly with number 1 for my taste, so we have to consider that they're going to change the rules about cap ships in high sec.

3) More new content per year.

I'm not opposed to this in the least, but as an IT professional, I have to call into question how effective QA can be with this sort of time table. Let's be honest, CCP has trouble with game breaking bugs with just two major content releases a year. Firing off new content like a machinegun strikes me as being a bit foolhardy in that context.

4) the Dust debacle

Frankly this worries me. There's real potential to damage CCPs reputation in this, and real negative repercussions might even be felt here in EvE.


1) We'll see. I doubt it.
2) HUGE assumptions on your part.
3) Nope. More, smaller releases = same content. Current 6 month dev cycle, something not ready, it has to ship anyway, because otherwise it has to wait another whole half-year. The dream of monthly drop, something not ready, pull it and hold to next month. You get same content, just some a little earlier and some a little later. The reality is that when one thing pushes, it cascades into more getting delayed. Also, there is no regression cycle between code complete and ship date, so more bugs ship.

Think of it this way. Industry changes are NOT going to be ready June 4. Should they ship June 4? Hold until December? Hold the entire release until July? OR... ship everything in June except industry, then ship industry in July? Industry shipping in July is not "more content".

4) Not as bad as WoD.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#39 - 2014-05-02 23:16:11 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
Sadly, I can see that, as usual, starting this thread was a wasted effort. Nice to see the trolls are taking advantage of the mods being distracted by all the drama over dust.

we have different moderators than the dust forums, don't we?


Yes.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jayem See
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-05-02 23:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayem See
Noriko Mai wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Jayem See wrote:
Solecist Project's Alt wrote:
Summary*


Thanks.


Get that face out of here.
I don't think talking to me that way is going to help you.


I could recommend a decent sculptor if that would help?


Leave Solecist Project's Alt alone


Sry - didn't realise it was so bad.

MORE

Aaaaaaand relax.