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Freighter rebalance and hull tanking
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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#1 - 2014-05-02 22:14:43 UTC
I was expecting a C&P thread about the keynote - this will certainly add a complicating dimension to ganking. It's about time we can rig the buggers though.

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Voyager Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-05-02 22:20:37 UTC
The idiots who stuff 10 billion into a Freighter and autopilot it through Uedama now are going to be the idiots who cargo rig it so they can fit 15 billion after the patch.
Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2014-05-02 22:29:57 UTC
This ^

Zappity wrote:
This will certainly add a complicating dimension to ganking.

Math is hard Roll

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-05-02 22:32:50 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Sigh. I hope that we'll get a way to scan rigs.

Paranoid Loyd wrote:
This ^

Zappity wrote:
This will certainly add a complicating dimension to ganking.

Math is hard Roll

Math is easy. Math doesn't matter when you don't know the variables in play. Roll

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Paranoid Loyd
#5 - 2014-05-02 22:35:16 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Sigh. I hope that we'll get a way to scan rigs.

Paranoid Loyd wrote:
This ^

Zappity wrote:
This will certainly add a complicating dimension to ganking.

Math is hard Roll

Math is easy. Math doesn't matter when you don't know the variables in play. Roll


Umm, not sure how your ship scanner works but mine tells me what rigs they have.

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Zappity
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#6 - 2014-05-02 22:40:47 UTC
Yeah, the math has never been particularly challenging. It certainly raises the bar on profitable ganking.

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Azov Rassau
Iron Destiny
#7 - 2014-05-02 22:48:39 UTC
I like the idea of more 'customizable' freighters, giving the freighter pilots a choice between warp speed rigs, cargo space rigs and hull rigs (are the numbers published or not yet?). It will certainly make freighter bumpers fit ship scanners in addition to the cargo scanners.

But... considering the number of untanked Orcas lost daily, I don't think we will see many hull rigged freighters.

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Paranoid Loyd
#8 - 2014-05-02 22:59:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Zappity wrote:
Yeah, the math has never been particularly challenging. It certainly raises the bar on profitable ganking.


I refer you to post #2, ganks dont happen to people that understand the game, they happen to those who don't or think they do. So it may have changed the equation and at face value seems to have raised the bar but the reality is it has lowered the bar. Kinda like when they "buffed" T1 haulers. Big smile

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Jonah Gravenstein
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#9 - 2014-05-02 23:01:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Here's my predictions.

Freighter pilots will have the opportunity to substantially increase their EHP or otherwise increase performance and survivability, many won't and choose to do the obvious/dumb, and increase their capacity instead, then whine when they die.

People will still AP the damn things through choke-points and whine when they die, despite any hull rigs.

Some people will never accept that the best tank against a gank is being an unattractive target, and actually being there to prevent it.

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Liam Inkuras
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#10 - 2014-05-02 23:12:02 UTC
Warp speed rigs are going to make freight work substantially faster.

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Precurseur
The Tory Party
#11 - 2014-05-02 23:38:58 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Here's my predictions.

Freighter pilots have the opportunity to substantially increase their EHP or otherwise increase performance and survivability, many don't and choose to do the obvious/dumb, and increase their capacity instead, then whine when they die.

People still AP the damn things through choke-points and whine when they die, despite any hull rigs.

Some people will never accept that the best tank against a gank is being an unattractive target, and actually being there to prevent it.


I agree with this.
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Sabriz Adoudel
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#12 - 2014-05-03 00:57:15 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
The idiots who stuff 10 billion into a Freighter and autopilot it through Uedama now are going to be the idiots who cargo rig it so they can fit 15 billion after the patch.



This.

Ganking squads will now require intel on rig selection too.

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2014-05-03 00:58:57 UTC
Voyager Arran wrote:
The idiots who stuff 10 billion into a Freighter and autopilot it through Uedama now are going to be the idiots who cargo rig it so they can fit 15 billion after the patch.


I'm waiting for a Charon Cargo rigged with another Charon inside of it to be ganked.

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#14 - 2014-05-03 01:06:17 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Voyager Arran wrote:
The idiots who stuff 10 billion into a Freighter and autopilot it through Uedama now are going to be the idiots who cargo rig it so they can fit 15 billion after the patch.


I'm waiting for a Charon Cargo rigged with another Charon inside of it to be ganked.



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Willmahh
#15 - 2014-05-06 19:58:19 UTC
i am quite sure they will lower the base cargo capacity enough so that with rigs it will bring it back to what it is now and without it will be lower than now.

We will never be able to transport caps in a frieghter - unless they are allowing them in hisec again.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-05-07 02:21:11 UTC
Willmahh wrote:
i am quite sure they will lower the base cargo capacity enough so that with rigs it will bring it back to what it is now and without it will be lower than now.

We will never be able to transport caps in a frieghter - unless they are allowing them in hisec again.



They're actually just increasing capital packaged sizes to be above max charon capacity.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#17 - 2014-05-07 02:36:29 UTC
Kristalll wrote:

I'm waiting for a Charon Cargo rigged with another Charon inside of it to be ganked.


Even better if the rest of the cargohold is filled with Carbon.

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#18 - 2014-05-07 11:56:34 UTC
This won't change a thing in the long run,
but I applaud the slight push for thoughts by CCP.