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Igualmentedos
Perkone
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-12-02 15:55:18 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
Nerf Minmatar.
All races are now more-or-less balanced.
\o/

This. Seriously I'm not overly pleased with Caldari at the moment and Gallente still feels....weak. I think that is a result of one race being very powerful. Minmatar need a SLIGHT nerf.
Aerilis
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-12-02 15:56:11 UTC
As far as racial traits go, Amarr ships are tough and slow.

Which means ****** frigs and awesome capitals.

That's all there is to it.
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#43 - 2011-12-02 16:01:56 UTC
Igualmentedos wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
Nerf Minmatar.
All races are now more-or-less balanced.
\o/

This. Seriously I'm not overly pleased with Caldari at the moment and Gallente still feels....weak. I think that is a result of one race being very powerful. Minmatar need a SLIGHT nerf.

Minmatar need a massive nerf not slight
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#44 - 2011-12-02 16:04:05 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
I was referring to damage not range or speed of the ship in question. Both of those were fixed by the way and damage was increased



hmm... no they weren't. the fix CCP made was akin to use a bandaid to patch a gunshot wound.

a nasty, nasty 12-gauge explosive pellet gunshot wound.


A 25 percent damage increase 50 percent cap decrease 10 percent tracking increase and speed and inertial modifications is a bandaid?


5% for blaster damage and 10% for rail damage iirc. wish it was 25%

OMG when can i get a pic here
Lil Nippy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-12-02 16:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lil Nippy
Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game (damage type excluded).
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#46 - 2011-12-02 16:07:08 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
I was referring to damage not range or speed of the ship in question. Both of those were fixed by the way and damage was increased



hmm... no they weren't. the fix CCP made was akin to use a bandaid to patch a gunshot wound.

a nasty, nasty 12-gauge explosive pellet gunshot wound.


A 25 percent damage increase 50 percent cap decrease 10 percent tracking increase and speed and inertial modifications is a bandaid?


5% for blaster damage and 10% for rail damage iirc. wish it was 25%

Really? What did I see that was 25 percent? Gina check the notes again
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2011-12-02 16:08:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Fix My Lasers
Daedalus Arcova wrote:
So what are all those fleets I see entirely comprised of Zealots and Guardians, or Abaddons and Guardians, or Armageddons and Guardians? Or what about all those Curses you see neuting out all those Archons and Aeons and Avatars? Are they only in my imagination?

1: In most classes, Amarr ships are tougher than their tier-for-tier counterparts, and in some cases do vastly superior dps.
2: Take a look at the list of top 20 ships used in PVP. The vast majority of them are shield tankers, which lasers cut through with ease. The rest are Amarrian.
3: You have cap problems, yes. But you also have near-infinite 'ammo', near-instant crystal switching, and very high dps even at long ranges, perversely outperforming other race's long range guns with your short-range guns at the same ranges.
4: Amarr are not the slowest. Caldari are. Amarr have the most armour hitpoints, the best armour resistance profile, and many ships have resistance bonuses. You also have very good signature radii, beaten only by Minmatar. As a race, the survivability of your ships is second to none.

Bitching about your strengths, which you manage to turn into weaknesses...

1: Scorch is overpowered. No other race gets damage projection as good as Amarr ships when using their short-ranged weapons. A minor tracking penalty is a non-issue when using high-tracking short-range guns.
2: One word: Abaddon.
3: Just stop whining.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. The problem is that your opinion is based on total crap.


When you troll wink with your right eye.
The problem is that your opinion is based on total crap


Hellen Kurvora wrote:

This. Seriously I'm not overly pleased with Caldari at the moment and Gallente still feels....weak. I think that is a result of one race being very powerful. Minmatar need a SLIGHT nerf.


Yes and no.
Minmatar is fine, it's just other races need a buff.
Nerfing minmatar will kill all the fun I have on Cane and Loki :D

Still Amarr really needs some work with Lasers and their damage type since 80% of their ships ARE laser boats.

Bring back Blaze and Lux crystals! http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12812-Blaze-L-details.html http://eve.battleclinic.com/item/i12832-Lux-L-details.html
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#48 - 2011-12-02 16:11:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
Lil Nippy wrote:
Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game.


Agree with u on the curse but harby would rarly be a match for a myrm, drake or cane on it's own. And a punisher is garbage. The abbadon is good, the geddons mid slots destroy it. Apoc is a pve ship not that great to be honest
Dewgong
Order of the Black Dagger
#49 - 2011-12-02 16:19:24 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Lil Nippy wrote:
Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game.


Agree with u on the curse but harby would rarly be a match for a myrm, drake or cane on it's own. And a punisher is garbage. The abbadon is good, the geddons mid slots destroy it. Apoc is a pve ship not that great to be honest

You are quite wrong.
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#50 - 2011-12-02 16:21:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
Dewgong wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Lil Nippy wrote:
Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game.


Agree with u on the curse but harby would rarly be a match for a myrm, drake or cane on it's own. And a punisher is garbage. The abbadon is good, the geddons mid slots destroy it. Apoc is a pve ship not that great to be honest

You are quite wrong.


Care to explain why? Cane would out manuver and tare a harby to shreds with it's superior dps and similar tank.
Myrm would be dual repped and a harby would not scratch it's tank before the myrms drones shred it.
Drakes tank is just too massive even with em therm, compared to the relativly light tank a harby would be built with and at the end of the day the drake would outlast as it always does.

The punisher has the same problem as the maller and prophecy, no damage, poor manuverability.
Geddon can not be fit right and requires fleet support to shine. Mid slots are a huge deal in pvp, especially on a battleship.
Curse and baddon are both beasts, I admitt to this
Lil Nippy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-12-02 16:28:20 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Dewgong wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Lil Nippy wrote:
Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game.


Agree with u on the curse but harby would rarly be a match for a myrm, drake or cane on it's own. And a punisher is garbage. The abbadon is good, the geddons mid slots destroy it. Apoc is a pve ship not that great to be honest

You are quite wrong.

Care to explain why? Cane would out manuver and tare a harby to shreds with its superior dps and similar tank.
Myrm would be dual repped and a harby would not scratch its tank before its drones shred it.
Drakes tank is just too massive even with em therm, compared to the relativly light tank a harby would be built with and at the end of the day the drake would outlast as it always does.

The punisher has the same problem as the maller and prophecy, no damage, poor manuverability.
Geddon can not be fit right and requires fleet support to shine. Mid slots are a huge deal in pvp, especially on a battleship.
Curse and baddon are both beasts, I admitt to this


You are bad.

/thread
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#52 - 2011-12-02 16:30:59 UTC
Lil Nippy wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Dewgong wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Lil Nippy wrote:
Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game.


Agree with u on the curse but harby would rarly be a match for a myrm, drake or cane on it's own. And a punisher is garbage. The abbadon is good, the geddons mid slots destroy it. Apoc is a pve ship not that great to be honest

You are quite wrong.

Care to explain why? Cane would out manuver and tare a harby to shreds with its superior dps and similar tank.
Myrm would be dual repped and a harby would not scratch its tank before its drones shred it.
Drakes tank is just too massive even with em therm, compared to the relativly light tank a harby would be built with and at the end of the day the drake would outlast as it always does.

The punisher has the same problem as the maller and prophecy, no damage, poor manuverability.
Geddon can not be fit right and requires fleet support to shine. Mid slots are a huge deal in pvp, especially on a battleship.
Curse and baddon are both beasts, I admitt to this


You are bad.

/thread


I love how you guys answer with "you are bad" or "you are wrong", but have nothing to substantiate any of your claims. Yet, I give you exact details to explain all of my points. It is hard to find you credible when you can not do the same.
Dewgong
Order of the Black Dagger
#53 - 2011-12-02 16:34:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Dewgong
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Dewgong wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Lil Nippy wrote:
Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game.


Agree with u on the curse but harby would rarly be a match for a myrm, drake or cane on it's own. And a punisher is garbage. The abbadon is good, the geddons mid slots destroy it. Apoc is a pve ship not that great to be honest

You are quite wrong.

Care to explain why? Cane would out manuver and tear a harby to shreds with its dps.
Myrm would be dual repped and a harby would not scratch its tank before its drones shred it.
Drakes tank is just too massive even with em therm, compared to the relativly light tank a harby would be built with and at the end of the day the drake would outlast as it always does.

The punisher has the same problem as the maller and prophecy, no damage, poor manuverability.
Geddon can not be fit right and requires fleet support to shine. Mid slots are a huge deal in pvp, especially on a battleship.


If you've been paying attention as you read the topic, you'd know why.

The entire time the Cane is in range to shoot the Harb, the Harb is in range to shoot the cane and can track it as well as out DPS it (not to mention if the Cane is MWDing around, it's taking MORE damage due to sig radius increase). Myrm, if dual repped, would more than likely cap out before the Harb or it just wont be doing a lot of DPS period. A drake's tank would have to sacrifice all the DPS modules to be able to weather a Harb's DPS. if any BC has the best chance at killing a drake, it's the Harb. Even if the Drake tanks for just em/therm, it'll be close.

The Punisher doesn't need crazy DPS to be good. It has the best frig tank by far and is able to outlast the other frigs. It doesn't need to be fast, it just needs to track the opponent, which it does. All the cap you save is more cap for tank. Cap is important for frigs since they have so damn little of it, even though Amarrian ships tend to have the most cap compared to their tier for tier counterparts.

The Maller isn't really suffering as it gives it the ability to fit respectable DPS with respectable Tank for a cruiser.

The Prophecy does suffer form it, but who cares, you shouldn't be putting lasers on it anyways.

Geddon is a massive gank boat, even with only 3 mids, you're still doing more DPS with more EHP than most other battleships can muster simultaneously.

For amarr it's not about being fast enough to chase someone, because if you want to get close enough to do anything, you're going to get shot, and it's going to ******* hurt.
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#54 - 2011-12-02 16:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
Dewgong wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Dewgong wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
Lil Nippy wrote:
Punisher is just as good as the Merlin and Rifter.

Malediction is one of the most popular versatile interceptors.

Arbitrator/pilgrim/curse pretty much the all around best cruiser hulls in the game.

Harbinger is a perfectly competitive BC, absolution/damnation most durable command ships in the game.

Amarr has the best battleship hulls in the game hands down.

Archon is comparable only to the Thanatos.

Lasers are the most versatile and convenient weapon system in the game.


Agree with u on the curse but harby would rarly be a match for a myrm, drake or cane on it's own. And a punisher is garbage. The abbadon is good, the geddons mid slots destroy it. Apoc is a pve ship not that great to be honest

You are quite wrong.

Care to explain why? Cane would out manuver and tear a harby to shreds with its dps.
Myrm would be dual repped and a harby would not scratch its tank before its drones shred it.
Drakes tank is just too massive even with em therm, compared to the relativly light tank a harby would be built with and at the end of the day the drake would outlast as it always does.

The punisher has the same problem as the maller and prophecy, no damage, poor manuverability.
Geddon can not be fit right and requires fleet support to shine. Mid slots are a huge deal in pvp, especially on a battleship.


If you've been paying attention as you read the topic, you'd know why.

The entire time the Cane is in range to shoot the Harb, the Harb is in range to shoot the cane and can track it as well as out DPS it (not to mention if the Cane is MWDing around, it's taking MORE damage due to sig radius increase). Myrm, if dual repped, would more than likely cap out before the Harb or it just wont be doing a lot of DPS period. A drake's tank would have to sacrifice all the DPS modules to be able to weather a Harb's DPS. if any BC has the best chance at killing a drake, it's the Harb. Even if the Drake tanks for just em/therm, it'll be close.

The Punisher doesn't need crazy DPS to be good. It has the best frig tank by far and is able to outlast the other frigs. It doesn't need to be fast, it just needs to track the opponent, which it does.

The Maller isn't really suffering as it gives it the ability to fit respectable DPS with respectable Tank for a cruiser.

The Prophecy does suffer form it, but who cares, you shouldn't be putting lasers on it anyways.

Geddon is a massive gank boat, even with only 3 mids, you're still doing more DPS with more EHP than most other battleships can muster simultaneously.


You think a harby pumps out more dps than a cane? Are you smoking crack? Check the ship bonuses, two damage bonuses compared to the harbys one. Not to mention the cane is using explosive ammo which hurts the harbys tank more than the harbys em/therm will hurt his. Get your facts straight bud. By the way, most canes are not shield tanked in pvp.

As for the myrm, have you ever fought a myrm? They have dual repps and cap boosters, they can run their tank a lot longer than a harbys tank can hold up.

By your post I find it hard to believe you pvp at all. And maller and respectable dps don't even fit into the same sentence. I wont even bother to comment further, you clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
#55 - 2011-12-02 16:42:24 UTC
Hellen you are an idiot and post with your main so we can all laugh at your combat record and see you have no idea what you are talking about.

The Arbi is one of the best T1 cruises in the game. The Harbinger is awesome, great DPS projection and decent speed. Shield Harbys are actually kinda popular too. Heavy pulse fits either shield tanked or 800mm plate fit are really useful against kiting Canes. Always carry a cap injector on armor fit ones. The Absolution is a Raging Beserker on the battlefield. The Geddon has the best bang for your buck with the Domi. The Apoc can Scorch 600 DPS out to 80km and be one of the best anti support roles there is. The Abbadon is the best Tier 3 BS hands down.

Guardians Curses and Zealots are all great. Man I can go on and on.

OP is an idiot

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Dewgong
Order of the Black Dagger
#56 - 2011-12-02 16:43:40 UTC
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
You think a harby pumps out more dps than a cane? Are you smoking crack? Check the ship bonuses, two damage bonuses compared to the harbys one. Not to mention the cane is using explosive ammo which hurts the harbys tank more than the harby em therm will hurt his. Get your facts straight bud.

As for the myrm, have you ever fought a myrm? They have dual repps and cap boosters, they can run their tank a lot longer than a harbys tank can hold up.

By your post I find it hard to believe you pvp at all. And maller and respectable dps don't even fit into the same sentence. I wont even bother to comment further, you clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Respectable DPS for a cruiser

Also, I'd love to see a Hurricane get close to 900 DPS.
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#57 - 2011-12-02 16:46:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
Cloora wrote:
Hellen you are an idiot and post with your main so we can all laugh at your combat record and see you have no idea what you are talking about.

The Arbi is one of the best T1 cruises in the game. The Harbinger is awesome, great DPS projection and decent speed. Shield Harbys are actually kinda popular too. Heavy pulse fits either shield tanked or 800mm plate fit are really useful against kiting Canes. Always carry a cap injector on armor fit ones. The Absolution is a Raging Beserker on the battlefield. The Geddon has the best bang for your buck with the Domi. The Apoc can Scorch 600 DPS out to 80km and be one of the best anti support roles there is. The Abbadon is the best Tier 3 BS hands down.

Guardians Curses and Zealots are all great. Man I can go on and on.

OP is an idiot

You clearly never read my posts, I never said the Arbi was not a good ship. I specifically said it was the only viable cruiser. The harby stat for stat is not as good as any other top tier BC, I'm sorry but check the numbers. There is a reason the Cane is the second most popular BC for pvp, drake being the first.

And a harby "kiting" a cane is not gonna happen. You also better hope that cane does not have a nuet, or its game over for your harby. Apoc, 600 dps says it all. A cane can hit damn near 1000. Go pvp some more then call me an idiot.
Hellen Kurvora
HC - Degc
#58 - 2011-12-02 16:47:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellen Kurvora
Dewgong wrote:
Hellen Kurvora wrote:
You think a harby pumps out more dps than a cane? Are you smoking crack? Check the ship bonuses, two damage bonuses compared to the harbys one. Not to mention the cane is using explosive ammo which hurts the harbys tank more than the harby em therm will hurt his. Get your facts straight bud.

As for the myrm, have you ever fought a myrm? They have dual repps and cap boosters, they can run their tank a lot longer than a harbys tank can hold up.

By your post I find it hard to believe you pvp at all. And maller and respectable dps don't even fit into the same sentence. I wont even bother to comment further, you clearly don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Respectable DPS for a cruiser

Also, I'd love to see a Hurricane get close to 900 DPS.


Actually a cane can hit at around 1000 dps, and a harby would find it very difficult reaching 900, id like to see the EFT for that. And a rupture can more than double a mallers dps. Thats respectable
Sadayiel
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2011-12-02 16:49:24 UTC
Hellen Kurvora it's absolutely right, now since Blaster got boosted up in crucible the CIRCLE OF LIFE has turned again.


So now we are back to square one (after release, or after the cold war) and Amarr players start claiming for the much needed Ammar Oomph!!

so 3 years and counting until Amarr got buffed back to godlike status like in the past.
Liam Mirren
#60 - 2011-12-02 16:55:19 UTC
You can't have it all, Amarr does fantastic in fleet pvp and some of them do good in gangs/solo. In pve they are still very good but run into damage type issues. Thing is that the abaddon/paladin solve that with massive dps (if people would just stop fitting like crap, abaddon does 800 dps at 60km and over 1100 dps at 25km).

Other races also have issues apart from... Minmatar. Thing is that Amarr has less issues than Gallente and Caldari and while I agree that some ships in the Amarr line feel weak, the same goes for other races. Only thing I'd change is make the prophecy and maller missile ships and all would be fine.

TL;DR yes you point out issues Amarr has but somehow you forget that other races also have issues, different issues ofcourse but still. So, deal with it.

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