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Questions for CCP: Concerning the fallout from the Dust/Legion annouce

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Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-05-02 20:23:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
Dusties have essentially paid to play a beta for a game on a different console that they may or may not get a transfer to, and might not even be able to play.

boohoo EVE players, too, paid to develop a game that they didn't get to play.

Funny how fast DUST players forget that and complain about their revenue being misspent.

At least now we know what the name was all about. DUST † 5/14.

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Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-05-02 20:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project's Alt
See, I'm usually really not that guy.
I, honestly, am not that guy.

I understand their frustration and their belief that DUST will be shut down,
even if CCP it won't happen but it actually still might happen,
although I doubt they'd do that if they say they won't.


Anyhow, I indeed right now am that guy.


DUST players have nothing.
CCP giveth, CCP taketh away.
It's theirs. All theirs.



I speak on behalf of everybody who agrees with me when I tell you ...



We, the PC MASTER RACE, don't really give a ****.


Though as a sign of pity friendship ...
- let me repeat that this is on behalf of everybody who agrees with me -
... please take this bucket swimming pool ...

\_______________________________________________________/ (edit: adjusted size)

...and do not hesitate to give it back when it's full.



:)
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-05-02 20:26:28 UTC
Dust as been crap from day one its just now that the dust player base realizes how screwed over they really are. I would tell them to go shoot a monument.... Oh thats right they dont have one

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-05-02 20:26:35 UTC
So for those that don't think that dust is going to be scrapped...

How about those dust fanfest announcments? anything really interesting that was about dust and not legion?

I know a few people that went to fanfest expecting to see something new for dust. They got Legion instead.
Thead Enco
HR..
#25 - 2014-05-02 20:27:01 UTC
[quote=Fiddlestax Atruin]On the twitch feed (when they were attempting to run damage control) they asked for our feedback.

Giving your feedback on the dust boards gets your post deleted and your account banned at the moment.
It has clearly become an issue of censoring dissent, a few questions that CCP needs to answer...

A few simple questions:

How long has CCP known that they were going to be scrapping dust for legion?

Is it proper that they continued to accept payment for aurum and SP boosters, while only "maybe" being able to move characters to the next iteration?

They decided to run an event this week. In the event, you got bonus SP for using a AURUM suit. Is it proper that they ran this event just days before they announced that they were scrapping the project to work on Legion, and that they weren't sure if they would be able to transfer characters across the platforms?

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I for one think it's about time , the only fallout i see is butthurt from people that paid RL cash for items on a game that was on a platform at the end of it's lifecycle.
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-05-02 20:27:59 UTC
CCP needed to make clear from the beginning that dust was a Legion beta.


Solecist Project's Alt
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-05-02 20:29:16 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
CCP needed to make clear from the beginning that dust was a Legion beta.
Why?
They didn't need to.
Never had to.
There is no indication that this even was the case.



Here, have another one ... I hope it makes you feel better!


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This one is even bigger. :)
Noriko Mai
#28 - 2014-05-02 20:31:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
CCP made an aurum event right before they made this announcement, knowing full well that some of the players of dust will not be able to make the move from PS3 to PC. If that isn't a cash grab, I don't know what is.

The event gave long term SP rewards, at the cost of real money. Long term rewards that some players will never see.

If dust was a legion beta, they needed to be straightforward with their customers.

I hope there will be no Microtransaction, Aurum events and such sh.it in Legion. Solid FPS with a deep connection to EVE. Free for EVE subs. One billion percent success!

Edit: Maybe add three new character slots for Legion Chars to EVE accounts for people that play Legion.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein

Cyoban
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2014-05-02 20:39:35 UTC
I would personally like to thank all of the DUST514 players that beta tested the game for us.
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-05-02 20:40:51 UTC
Cyoban wrote:
I would personally like to thank all of the DUST514 players that beta tested the game for us.

You are welcome.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#31 - 2014-05-02 20:48:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Noriko Mai wrote:

I hope there will be no Microtransaction, Aurum events and such sh.it in Legion. Solid FPS with a deep connection to EVE. Free for EVE subs. One billion percent success!

Edit: Maybe add three new character slots for Legion Chars to EVE accounts for people that play Legion.


To be honest, this was my initial thought on how to incorporate DUST into Eve though not entirely. Add in Dust as more of a "expansion" then a separate game, though due to coding restraints would still be a separate game for all intensive purposes.

I wouldn't add it in as free for any Eve player but do a monthly/Plex style payment system that gives a reduced cost for having both.

Ex.
Eve is $15/m
Legion is $10/m
Eve+Legion is $20/m

Plex schemes would be done differently as well to promote both.

E: Though CCP would have to do a much better job on Legion then Dust in order to get people to pay a sub for an FPS.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

mkint
#32 - 2014-05-02 20:49:21 UTC
Christy D Floyd wrote:
Dust as been crap from day one its just now that the dust player base realizes how screwed over they really are. I would tell them to go shoot a monument.... Oh thats right they dont have one

Dust bunnies do have a monument. In Luminaire. In EVE. Remember? It was CCP's "Dust isn't a totally pointless dead end!" event.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#33 - 2014-05-02 20:54:57 UTC
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
What are dust boards and how exactly do they concern us?

The dust boards are a sony/ccp official game boards for the game Dust 514.

They concern us, because CCP has engaged in questionable business practices, and if they don't resolve these issues, Legion will never be given a chance by anyone that has played dust, or any of their friends, or anyone that actually enjoys FPS.



What questionable business practices? If they annunced Dust was canned tomorrow, with no legion, would you say the same thing? Seriously people whining are idiots. Its a game, ccp can close or change their game anytime for any reason. sheesh. You have barely any info, stop knee jerking and wait till you get more info. Or quit and don;t bloody worry about it. As its a ******* game.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#34 - 2014-05-02 20:56:55 UTC
I will add, that i do agree they ****** up witht he keynote. It shoudl have either given more info as to what will happen to dust, or been about dust transition to legion. Pretty much it was a 'dust is dead, we are moving on' when they should of just killed it and launched legion when thats ready.

I'm hoping to get real meat and potatoes about dust/legion tomorrow

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

mkint
#35 - 2014-05-02 21:00:34 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
What are dust boards and how exactly do they concern us?

The dust boards are a sony/ccp official game boards for the game Dust 514.

They concern us, because CCP has engaged in questionable business practices, and if they don't resolve these issues, Legion will never be given a chance by anyone that has played dust, or any of their friends, or anyone that actually enjoys FPS.



What questionable business practices? If they annunced Dust was canned tomorrow, with no legion, would you say the same thing? Seriously people whining are idiots. Its a game, ccp can close or change their game anytime for any reason. sheesh. You have barely any info, stop knee jerking and wait till you get more info. Or quit and don;t bloody worry about it. As its a ******* game.

Makes me wonder when legion will even launch. I doubt it'll be within the next year, but since they've already got all the game assets, and a 3rd party engine, I suppose they could do it really quick. I assume they won't do it until they've got their brand new matchmaking, scavenger mode, UI, and dust obsolescence plan, which I would be extremely surprised if it happens within the next year.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-05-02 21:02:31 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
So are they actually discontinuing DUST or are they just porting it to PC under Legion? Haven't seen the feed about the changes.

THey are redesigning DUST to be a console lobby-shooter with zero development, no plans EVER for PvP or integration, soon taking away module/suit loss on death, absically making it reskinned call of duty.

they are taking all the promises they kept making for what was IN DEVELOPMENT for DUST and jsut moving them to Legion isntead.

It was a LITERAL "go **** yourself" to the DUST community. Basically telling them the game they had been waiting and paying for is going to be a different game on a different console, and that the game they are getting will be Call Of Duty
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-05-02 21:03:40 UTC
So you guys don't think that the lack of any significant dust announcments doesn't signal the end of dust? You really think they are going to develop two shooters simultaneously?

CCP is STILL selling Aurum boosters to those dusties that don't know about the announcements. Many of them will never be able to use their SP once it gets the PC port ( Gaming PCs are kind of expensive, as well as the alternatives to computers people find in smart phones and tablets)
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#38 - 2014-05-02 21:04:55 UTC
mkint wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Fiddlestax Atruin wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
What are dust boards and how exactly do they concern us?

The dust boards are a sony/ccp official game boards for the game Dust 514.

They concern us, because CCP has engaged in questionable business practices, and if they don't resolve these issues, Legion will never be given a chance by anyone that has played dust, or any of their friends, or anyone that actually enjoys FPS.



What questionable business practices? If they annunced Dust was canned tomorrow, with no legion, would you say the same thing? Seriously people whining are idiots. Its a game, ccp can close or change their game anytime for any reason. sheesh. You have barely any info, stop knee jerking and wait till you get more info. Or quit and don;t bloody worry about it. As its a ******* game.

Makes me wonder when legion will even launch. I doubt it'll be within the next year, but since they've already got all the game assets, and a 3rd party engine, I suppose they could do it really quick. I assume they won't do it until they've got their brand new matchmaking, scavenger mode, UI, and dust obsolescence plan, which I would be extremely surprised if it happens within the next year.



yea thats the stupid part. if legion is not coming for two years, then announcing it now will just cause them to hemerage money in dust. But if its coming n a few months...

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#39 - 2014-05-02 21:05:20 UTC
I'm waiting for Next Fanfest when they announce they're closing EvE and will launch a new space sandbox MMP called Adam in the next two or three years.

Then I will enjoy the sweet, sweet tears as Goonswarm declares 'Mission Accomplished'.
Fiddlestax Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-05-02 21:09:11 UTC
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:
I'm waiting for Next Fanfest when they announce they're closing EvE and will launch a new space sandbox MMP called Adam in the next two or three years.

Then I will enjoy the sweet, sweet tears as Goonswarm declares 'Mission Accomplished'.


Essentially the case here. They are telling EvE guys that they are relaunching EvE as "Adam" on the PS4 at some time in the future, and that their SP *MIGHT* transfer over.