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Destoya
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#41 - 2014-05-02 20:13:15 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
mkint wrote:

T2 dessies have lower DPS and tanks than T1 dessies, as do blops and their counterparts. I haven't done a side-by-side of every ship, but I guarantee there's a devquote saying that T2 shouldn't completely obsolete T1's. Also devquotes saying that balancing solely on price is a stupid idea.

t2 destroyers (we are not babies here, we can pronounce words) have a completely unique role, as do blops

however the standard t2 ship is something like the ishtar (strictly better than the vexor) the mackinaw (strictly better than the retriever) etc


Just for the record, interdictors in gank, no bubble, fits outclass their T1 counterparts quite soundly, with the exception of the flycatcher and heretic (though those are still stronger combat ships than the T1 ones).

In fits with MWD and a scram as a minimum, Eris is 703 DPS with equal HP to the 580 DPS catalyst, or 677 DPS with 50% more HP than the catalyst. This isn't even considering the innate MWD signature or resist bonuses of the interdictors.
Jagoff Haverford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2014-05-02 20:14:47 UTC
Quick question about one line in the stats for the Prospect:

Quote:
-100% Cloaking Device CPU use


When I first started playing, all of the Cover Ops ships had something like this stat, only with odd percentages like 97.8% reduced CPU. CCP eventually did away with these bonuses, because they were kind of confusing.

Now it seems like you are bringing these weird bonuses back, but just for this one ship.
Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#43 - 2014-05-02 20:19:03 UTC
mkint wrote:
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
I like this ship.but the prize on it have to be low,if not way dont just keep jusing venture if the risk vs reward gose up and not down,next i hope you make a bc version with combat abileties to figth of any solo ganker in a frig T1-T2.im not sure way the cloack shud be ther, can it jump gate cloacked if so grate,cant mine cloacked so if you made ship imune to al warp jammers ship moduls not inincluding capital mods that be of grater help than the cloack i think.


covops cloak is one of the most powerful lowsec survival tools there is, especially on a frigate hull. Watch local, watch d-scan. No point of ship balance can cure stupid.

yes but i still like the +2 in warp strength on venture better than the cloack,
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-05-02 20:21:26 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Rovinia wrote:
This one doesn't have the "+2 warp core strength" Role bonus the Venture has, is that right? Not that i want to complain about it, the exchange for the Covert Ops Cloaking device is good enough. Just not sure if it's a mistake or intended.


You are correct, the Prospect doesn't have extra warp core strength, as the covert cloak handles that function.

Hope you guys enjoy these changes, I'm heading to the fight them pub crawl so I won't be answering questions tonight, but rest assured I will be back later to read everything.

Cheers!

Fozzie, awesome on the ship. I love it. But it is missing one very important thing. The ability to Ice Mine! Why can we not have a ship like this which can mine ice? That would be perfect.
Berluth Luthian
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-05-02 20:22:43 UTC
Blockade runners that can make short covert bridges would be cool.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#46 - 2014-05-02 20:26:58 UTC
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
mkint wrote:
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
I like this ship.but the prize on it have to be low,if not way dont just keep jusing venture if the risk vs reward gose up and not down,next i hope you make a bc version with combat abileties to figth of any solo ganker in a frig T1-T2.im not sure way the cloack shud be ther, can it jump gate cloacked if so grate,cant mine cloacked so if you made ship imune to al warp jammers ship moduls not inincluding capital mods that be of grater help than the cloack i think.


covops cloak is one of the most powerful lowsec survival tools there is, especially on a frigate hull. Watch local, watch d-scan. No point of ship balance can cure stupid.

yes but i still like the +2 in warp strength on venture better than the cloack,


But why? A cloak cloaks you always without fail, except if you do something stupid. Every ******* with two faction scrams can overpower a fully warp-stabbed Venture. If you don't have additional stabs in your lows, a single 3-point faction scram can point you. Or the combination of a normal scram and a warp disruptor. Or if you get alpha'd before you can warp out. +2 warp strength is neat, but not better then a covert-ops cloak.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#47 - 2014-05-02 20:30:55 UTC
Why is Fullerides marked up as a link, but with no actual url?

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Tharin Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
#48 - 2014-05-02 20:32:34 UTC
Obligatory: Our Prospects will blot out the sun.

So very looking forward to this ship. Everyone in my corp is going to be heckled until they train Mining Frigate V.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2014-05-02 20:32:53 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Why is Fullerides marked up as a link, but with no actual url?

dev blogs have been doing that recently :S

are you a csm yet hurry up
Darin Vanar
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-05-02 20:33:37 UTC
That, is amazing.

Thanks for making me excited for this upcoming expansion, the price changes from previous blogs really had me questioning my viability as a young pilot in New Eden. This will at least open new frontiers for work. :)

Exciting stuff. One of my first questions on newbie channel was if I could equip a cloaking device on a Venture and everyone laughed. Well, this TII Venture is just great. :D

Awesome stuff.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#51 - 2014-05-02 20:36:17 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Why is Fullerides marked up as a link, but with no actual url?




Next up: Fulleride changes Twisted
Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#52 - 2014-05-02 20:39:24 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
mkint wrote:
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
I like this ship.but the prize on it have to be low,if not way dont just keep jusing venture if the risk vs reward gose up and not down,next i hope you make a bc version with combat abileties to figth of any solo ganker in a frig T1-T2.im not sure way the cloack shud be ther, can it jump gate cloacked if so grate,cant mine cloacked so if you made ship imune to al warp jammers ship moduls not inincluding capital mods that be of grater help than the cloack i think.


covops cloak is one of the most powerful lowsec survival tools there is, especially on a frigate hull. Watch local, watch d-scan. No point of ship balance can cure stupid.

yes but i still like the +2 in warp strength on venture better than the cloack,


But why? A cloak cloaks you always without fail, except if you do something stupid. Every ******* with two faction scrams can overpower a fully warp-stabbed Venture. If you don't have additional stabs in your lows, a single 3-point faction scram can point you. Or the combination of a normal scram and a warp disruptor. Or if you get alpha'd before you can warp out. +2 warp strength is neat, but not better then a covert-ops cloak.

tru you have a point ther.the cloack migth be better at keeping you a live,+2 warp strengt migth help you get back from your adventurs going tru gats,not that fun to be stranded in 0 sec or lowe if you want the ore back to hige sec.after all a miner will be exposed when mining so gankers only need to wait at gate,so just 1 ship can stop you from getting back
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#53 - 2014-05-02 20:39:35 UTC
mkint wrote:
Isn't this better than the venture in every possible way? I thought that wasn't supposed to be the point of T2 ships. It looks like the only way the venture is any better is in price, which, also, you said you weren't going to do any more.

edit: I guess this one doesn't have the built in warp core strength, but how frequently did that bonus ever actually come into play in the past?

The Venture is cheaper.

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#54 - 2014-05-02 20:40:52 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Why is Fullerides marked up as a link, but with no actual url?

dev blogs have been doing that recently :S

are you a csm yet hurry up



24 hours to go.

Woo! CSM XI!

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Seith Kali
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-05-02 20:51:50 UTC
Gonna take more than a bit of mexallon in the arkanor to make null mining a serious profession fozzie. Give us a mining dread or let the rorqual be it.

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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#56 - 2014-05-02 20:53:11 UTC
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
Owen Levanth wrote:
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
mkint wrote:
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
I like this ship.but the prize on it have to be low,if not way dont just keep jusing venture if the risk vs reward gose up and not down,next i hope you make a bc version with combat abileties to figth of any solo ganker in a frig T1-T2.im not sure way the cloack shud be ther, can it jump gate cloacked if so grate,cant mine cloacked so if you made ship imune to al warp jammers ship moduls not inincluding capital mods that be of grater help than the cloack i think.


covops cloak is one of the most powerful lowsec survival tools there is, especially on a frigate hull. Watch local, watch d-scan. No point of ship balance can cure stupid.

yes but i still like the +2 in warp strength on venture better than the cloack,


But why? A cloak cloaks you always without fail, except if you do something stupid. Every ******* with two faction scrams can overpower a fully warp-stabbed Venture. If you don't have additional stabs in your lows, a single 3-point faction scram can point you. Or the combination of a normal scram and a warp disruptor. Or if you get alpha'd before you can warp out. +2 warp strength is neat, but not better then a covert-ops cloak.

tru you have a point ther.the cloack migth be better at keeping you a live,+2 warp strengt migth help you get back from your adventurs going tru gats,not that fun to be stranded in 0 sec or lowe if you want the ore back to hige sec.after all a miner will be exposed when mining so gankers only need to wait at gate,so just 1 ship can stop you from getting back


Two things to help: MWD + cloak trick for the old fashioned way. Or the mobile depot + probe launcher combo for secretly scanning your way through W-Space. Remember, you can refit your cov-ops cloak right after scanning down your own exit and sneak through a few wormholes until you get spit out into LowSec or HighSec again. (With a cov-op cloak LowSec is ridiculously safe. Just look at d-scan once in a while to not warp to a gate with an entire fleet of smarbombing battleships waiting and you're golden.)
Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#57 - 2014-05-02 21:03:23 UTC
Seith Kali wrote:
Gonna take more than a bit of mexallon in the arkanor to make null mining a serious profession fozzie. Give us a mining dread or let the rorqual be it.

Agre with you ther,The only thing that will help is to give mining ships som combat abilletis beside the drons so if they operate in a fleet they will need less protection from other combat pilots,after all not many pvp pilots will guard mining ships for houers a day,they dident sign up to this game for that.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#58 - 2014-05-02 21:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ugleb
The Prospect may not have the +2 warp strength of the Venture, but it does get +3 lows and covert ops cloaking.

Sounds like an even more annoying stabbed FW LP farmer. That can warp around invisibly. And fit more WCS. And gets a 10m sig radius reduction. I don't like this thought.What?

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GavinGoodrich
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-05-02 21:03:55 UTC
mkint wrote:
Isn't this better than the venture in every possible way? I thought that wasn't supposed to be the point of T2 ships. It looks like the only way the venture is any better is in price, which, also, you said you weren't going to do any more.

edit: I guess this one doesn't have the built in warp core strength, but how frequently did that bonus ever actually come into play in the past?


I think the difference in tiers you're talking about is tier 3 vs. tier 2, which is more balanced now. Tier 2 will just about always be superior in every way to tier 1, hence the pricetag.

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Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-05-02 21:29:18 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Rovinia wrote:
This one doesn't have the "+2 warp core strength" Role bonus the Venture has, is that right? Not that i want to complain about it, the exchange for the Covert Ops Cloaking device is good enough. Just not sure if it's a mistake or intended.


You are correct, the Prospect doesn't have extra warp core strength, as the covert cloak handles that function.

Hope you guys enjoy these changes, I'm heading to the fight them pub crawl so I won't be answering questions tonight, but rest assured I will be back later to read everything.

Cheers!



Fozzie - I know this is not the right subject but You announced something today that may very strongly affect wormholes:

Freighters with cargo rigs will be able to bring packaged super-caps into wormholes!

Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?