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Dust on PC confirmed! (Project Legion)

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John Ending
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-05-02 15:26:33 UTC
I will try this.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#82 - 2014-05-02 15:26:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sirinda
And not a single **** was given that day.Big smile

Oh yeah, I'll give it a try. I'm still more stoked about Valkyrie, though.
This Suxbad
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-05-02 15:27:53 UTC
Wonder if CCP will simplify DUST enough for them to realize that is terrible.
Making terrible addons must be a better idea than working on increasing your stagnant active player base.
Everyone create another alt so they can say subscriptions went up :p

Definition of blob is more friends than you! Do you play eve or play eve for others?
Beofryn Sedorak
#84 - 2014-05-02 15:28:31 UTC
Gothikia wrote:
Gabriel Z wrote:
Gothikia wrote:
CCP has now spent our sub money on two games that they've now cancelled.

You spent your sub money to play EVE. What they do after that isn't really any of your business. If you enjoy what they're giving you access to, keep subbed. If not, don't.

While I agree that CCP could do almost everything better, that weird sort of logic that CCP is "accountable" to the playerbase is ludicrous.


Yeah, I agree with you pretty much. But after knowing CCP for nearly 11 years for me now, it's disheartening to see products part of the EVE Universe (which I've invested in) actually fail. I wanted Dust to be greatly successful, and the same thing with WoD. I think they could have made something truly unique with that, but sadly now we'll never know.

I'm just worried that history is going to repeat itself with Project Legion, which I'm greatly excited about.


EVE: Legion is CCP Recognizing the failures of DUST 514 and taking the smartest route available to solve most of the those problems, Leveraging the experience gained from their failures.
Ender Attor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2014-05-02 15:29:05 UTC
Sadly it would appear the DUSTies have hardened the **** up and realised that Legion and Dust are seperate games....I enjoyed that rage
Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#86 - 2014-05-02 15:30:27 UTC
At first i though they brought Dust to the PC, but it is this all newish game "Legion"? I do understand however what the plan is:

- They can't port Dust directly to PC because of contract stuff with Sony.
- Dust itself is probably broken beyond repair.
- So they try again with a new FPS which will:
1. Incorporate the good stuff from Dust.
2. Get them to revoke the contract with Sony without too much legal hassle.

And when the new FPS is out and runs relatively well, they kill off Dust. Which to me seems a game which loses money anyway, so the reasoning behind all this is solid.

If its free and on the PC i am going to try it anyway. I wasn't willing to buy some crappy console as masterrace PC dude, so they never got me for Dust anyway.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#87 - 2014-05-02 15:31:34 UTC
Beofryn Sedorak wrote:
EVE: Legion is CCP Recognizing the failures of DUST 514 and taking the smartest route available to solve most of the those problems, Leveraging the experience gained from their failures.

Who every really believed DUST would be successful anyways... I mean, seriously: A free2play FPS explusive to a (soon to be) dying console? Who thought that was a good iea? Who would invest in something like that?

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
This Suxbad
State War Academy
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-05-02 15:31:55 UTC
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EVE: Legion is CCP Recognizing the failures of DUST 514 and taking the smartest route available to solve most of the those problems, Leveraging the experience gained from their failures.
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They must have more experience than they know what to do with. Guess they are saving it up for later.

Definition of blob is more friends than you! Do you play eve or play eve for others?
Beofryn Sedorak
#89 - 2014-05-02 15:35:59 UTC
Cheng Musana wrote:
To be honest what they showed at the keynote barely had better graphics then dust on PS3. And i wonder how long CCP will take to actually port it over to PC. Didnt they mentioned it somewhat around a year? I would be more interested in those things:

-can the dust toons be taken from the PS3 to the PC? (cause its still TQ server i suppose)
-will assets, ISK and SP be wiped?
-What will the buisness modell be? (F2P, subscription or retail release)
-if its going to be sub based will it aswell be allowed to extend the sub by buying PLEX? (same market i suppose)
-is the PS3 Dust variant maybe used for cross play? (PC-PS3?)

Im kinda dissapointed by CCP that they are not releasing more information about this. Im worried that they screw up like they did with WOD. As far as it goes CCP only delivered 1 single game that is successfull and thats Eve online. Everything else is subpar or a total desaster.


It is literally impossible for them to "screw up like they did with WOD". The reason for them failing at WoD is because they couldn't even get close to their vision. At a minimum, EVE: Legion is ALREADY closer to a deliverable product than WoD ever was as it's just a fork of DUST 514.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2014-05-02 15:45:13 UTC
I played DUST514 on the PS3 a couple of times, wasn't great in the state I played it in. Very excited for Legion however, all looks pretty good, great move CCP. Smile

Also DUST514 forums keeping me entertained, that kinda whining wouldn't survive here it is beautiful.

I disagree
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#91 - 2014-05-02 15:48:41 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
I played DUST514 on the PS3 a couple of times, wasn't great in the state I played it in. Very excited for Legion however, all looks pretty good, great move CCP. Smile

Also DUST514 forums keeping me entertained, that kinda whining wouldn't survive here it is beautiful.

It's basically their summer of rage: “You know that thing we promised for so long? Well, yeah, no… here's something else.”
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#92 - 2014-05-02 15:48:52 UTC
Higgs Foton wrote:
At first i though they brought Dust to the PC, but it is this all newish game "Legion"? I do understand however what the plan is:

- They can't port Dust directly to PC because of contract stuff with Sony.
- Dust itself is probably broken beyond repair.
- So they try again with a new FPS which will:
1. Incorporate the good stuff from Dust.
2. Get them to revoke the contract with Sony without too much legal hassle.

And when the new FPS is out and runs relatively well, they kill off Dust. Which to me seems a game which loses money anyway, so the reasoning behind all this is solid.

If its free and on the PC i am going to try it anyway. I wasn't willing to buy some crappy console as masterrace PC dude, so they never got me for Dust anyway.


They explained, Legion is more of a prototype much like EVR was. They're developing for PC, and taking what they can from that development and applying it to the PS3 build of DUST.

Considering that Valyrie is going to PS4 with Project Morpheus support, I don't think Sony were too upset over DUST being fixed.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2014-05-02 15:52:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
I played DUST514 on the PS3 a couple of times, wasn't great in the state I played it in. Very excited for Legion however, all looks pretty good, great move CCP. Smile

Also DUST514 forums keeping me entertained, that kinda whining wouldn't survive here it is beautiful.

It's basically their summer of rage: “You know that thing we promised for so long? Well, yeah, no… here's something else.”

Yea I don't blame them really (although at the end of the day PC will be the better platform for their vision), it's still hilarious. The forums are exploding, don't miss out.

I disagree
TedStriker
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2014-05-02 15:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: TedStriker
just finished with the "dust 514 progression"....it was really "legion: progression"....nothing to do with dust ;)

CCP got something WRONG here....COMMUNICATION...guys...there is A LOT confusion right now on what is what.

Facts: Legion is a seperate thing....based on Dust, but its NOT DUST 514. So, Dust514 on PS3 is not evolving into PC/PS4.

Legion is new, different (very), and everything else is unknown ;) That was NOT communicated well in the keynote.

Apart from that...GOGO CCP....can't wait to play EvE-FPS on PC...
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#95 - 2014-05-02 15:53:51 UTC
Quote:
Dust 514 will stay on PS3


And rot!

Drone gameplay PVE is comming only to Legion. Brutal truth!

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#96 - 2014-05-02 15:55:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
It's basically their summer of rage: “You know that thing we promised for so long? Well, yeah, no… here's something else.”

Poor DUSTbunnies... how could they possibly have known what they got themself into?

...sorry. Big smile

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Beofryn Sedorak
#97 - 2014-05-02 15:57:13 UTC
TedStriker wrote:
just finished with the "dust 514 progression"....it was really "legion: progression"....nothing to do with dust ;)

CCP got something WRONG here....COMMUNICATION...guys...there is A LOT confusion right now what is what.

Facts: Legion is a seperate thing....based on Dust, but its NOT DUST 514. So, Dust514 on PS3 is not evolving into PC/PS4.

Legion is new, different (very), and everything else is unknown ;) That was NOT communicated well in the keynote.

Apart from that...GOGO CCP....can't wait to play EvE-FPS on PC...


Here's my INTERPRETATION of the situation.

There were a lot of hurdles and challenges in developing our vision on console that wouldn't exist if developing on PC. We made some mistakes and to fix them we need a fresh start. We want to bring this expanded product back to console once we've got it right. It will probably be on PS4 when we do.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#98 - 2014-05-02 16:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
...told ya so.

Sorta.

Now about my hat...

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Hendrick Tallardar
Doomheim
#99 - 2014-05-02 16:01:25 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Quote:
Dust 514 will stay on PS3


And rot!

Drone gameplay PVE is comming only to Legion. Brutal truth!


Right. The PS3 is terrible at the moment. However, development for games is more possible for simultaneous support of PC and PS4. In that you can develop a PS4 game and port it to PC easier with the PS4 architecture than the PS3. Given that Valkyrie is doing PS4 and PC, it's entirely likely once Legion is started CCP will push to develop for PS4 and put Legion on the PS4 along with the PC. How that specifically would work out is up to CCP to determine, but its a very real possibility and is far easier for CCP to do a PC/PS4 approach with Legion than just try to overhaul and port DUST to PS4 from the PS3.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2014-05-02 16:02:25 UTC
TedStriker wrote:
just finished with the "dust 514 progression"....it was really "legion: progression"....nothing to do with dust ;)

CCP got something WRONG here....COMMUNICATION...guys...there is A LOT confusion right now on what is what.

Facts: Legion is a seperate thing....based on Dust, but its NOT DUST 514. So, Dust514 on PS3 is not evolving into PC/PS4.

Legion is new, different (very), and everything else is unknown ;) That was NOT communicated well in the keynote.

Apart from that...GOGO CCP....can't wait to play EvE-FPS on PC...

which is wonderfully horrible, considering they literally just told every DUST player they can forget about everything CCP ever said they would do with DUST and go **** themselves. Because no more integration, no more meaningful anything, hell, no new content, wont even get to transfer your character over to Legion, which is supposedly now the "real game"

They basically pulled an X-Rebirth with DUST.