Player Features and Ideas Discussion

unless you give T3 a couple hudnred extar M3 in cargo, you CANT make them be able to truly swap on the fly,a s modules for fitting are freaking huge. and they cant be reactionary, because you cant refit mid fight.

Not only that, if there WHOLE BONUS is being weaker than T2 but "reactionary", no one will use them EVER, because that just emans to "use them as they are intended" your required to carry 5 ships worth of fitting mods you arent even using, in a ship weaker than a T2 of the same job.

not to mention any significant damage or defense nerf to T3's would make wormholes into 0.0 levels of invulnerable coalition space, as invading a C5/C6 would be impossible, as you woudl be required to either ering in weak-cruisers or battleships, either one getting obliterated by the limitless defensive force, T3's allowing both damage and mass for wormhole sieging.

T3's are in need of a buff!
Absolutly no one is using them , only wormholers use them.
If you make them weaker then t2 no one will be using t3's.
T3's would become useless.
Even if they can switch faster from dps, to logi to ecm fits then a maurauder goes into deployment mode no one would use them.
Because fleets use fixed ships with fixed jobs.
Absolutly no one would be changing anything in the middle of a fight.
The only reason to make T2's bether then T3's is to destroy wormholes so that only the null sec cartels rule eve.
Even now most shield ships are bether then T3's shield ships, and geuss what no one uses shields on T3's unless you pve... .
And even now a loki webs worse then a huggin, a tengu is worse at ECM'ing then a falcon, a proteus is worse at pointing long range then a arazu, a legion is worse a neuting then a pilgrim.... .
All damage is even worse then T2 ships and the range is even worse.
The only thing t3's have over T2 ships is tank and that is IT.
The best thing that needs to happen is make useless subsystems usefull.
I would rather have them remove local in nullsec and add mobile deployables to turn off gates.

I saw an all-Legion + guardian fleet, in HS incursion, last week. They get used.

watching the stream, I believe he said repeatedly and clearly not to worry they were NOT going to be nerfed.

he talked about the Rig issue and solving that, and making ALL subsystems good.

Sounds good to me.

I seriously hope so, barring being used for neuting heavy tackle, that subsystem is completely worthless.

I want a covert subsystem more along the lines of the Proteus.

They will probably tone down the subsystems that make T3 better than T2 at a particular role - some will see it as a nerf. A loki shouldn't be a better webber than a huginn, but it should make up for it with crazy speed or damage projection or something instead.

I want to make a proteus into a dampening stratios or a tengu into a jamming eagle, that kind of stuff.

Exactly how are recons useless? Yeah they cant tank as well as a T3 or a HAC but they arnt meant to. They arnt meant to do tons of DPS either. If you think its useless its because your ignorant and dont understand how to use it.

Hopefully the recon-rebalance addresses this. Hell, having my Pilgrim do more then annoy people in W-Space would be nice.

Yeah, you still want the recon to be better at the role it is for. What good is a fleet recon when a T3 has just as good ewar and a better tank?

The curse should remain a better neuter than the legion, perhaps with better range. The Legion should be able to make up for the loss of neut range with greater manoeuvrability and a couple of sentry drones, for example.

If you just want stuff neuted, you pick the recon every time.

I believe they indicated Recons were next for rebalancing along with T3s.