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[Kronos] Pirate Faction Battleships

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1701 - 2014-05-01 22:10:39 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:

If you fit your launchers primarily to kill smaller targets, you are doing it wrong.

frigates and cruisers can be easily cleaned up by +50% bonused drones.

Face it, the new Rattlesnake sucks.Stop being terrible at the game.




Face it, you don't get +50% bonused light drones anymore.

So stop beating your head against the wall, because these changes are happening no matter how much you bleat and moan.

And anyway, fitting rigors to even heavy missiles is a good idea regardless of your choice of target, so long as said target is moving at all. And using a target painter is, once again, a good idea regardless of what you are shooting at.

Not only that, but firing Rapid Heavy missiles at a battleship is still a fine application of dps.

Try again.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1702 - 2014-05-01 22:26:27 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1703 - 2014-05-01 22:30:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Prepare to be epically disappointed.
The changes to the Rattlesnake are good - not great. Vindicator gets more targeting range, Machariel gets more warp speed but at the expense of agility and scan resolution (not too mention the horrible asynchronous turrets), the Nightmare gets an AB, the Nestor is still a gong show - and the Rattlesnake is a mixed bag of snakes. Literally.

And this isn't a rant - it's feedback. The proposed changes are uninspiring.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1704 - 2014-05-01 22:46:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


IMO the sentries are well served by the current bonus. The heavy drones are the likely candidates for a bit of extra help.

I still want to see them on SiSi before I get the particulars though. Especially once I get the chance to apply them with the new lowslot tracking modules, see how that plays out.

Heavy drones need more help at the base level also though.
All the moving drones need a rework on drone movement that allows them to use MWD at slower than max speed if that's what is needed to establish an orbit or keep up with a target. Rather than the current sprint/crawl they do.
And an increase in both optimal range & orbit distance would similarly give heavy drones a significant helping hand. (Not to silly distances, but another 2,000m wouldn't go amiss for example and would massively help their tracking.)
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1705 - 2014-05-01 23:03:53 UTC
I see that under ISD rules ranting has a new definition: expressing the view that the rattlesnake needs to go back to the drawing board.

Lol

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Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#1706 - 2014-05-01 23:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

If you fit your launchers primarily to kill smaller targets, you are doing it wrong.

frigates and cruisers can be easily cleaned up by +50% bonused drones.

Face it, the new Rattlesnake sucks.Stop being terrible at the game.




Face it, you don't get +50% bonused light drones anymore.



that isn't for you to decide, kiddo.

and I am clearly pointing out what the Rattlesnake has lost, since so many seem to forget.

I don't know how a baddy like you plays or what narrow minded perspective you are theorycrafting in, but I personally am not looking forward to getting jammed and having nothing to deal with whatever is web scrambling with nothing but puny unbonused lights and mediums drones. Not what I picked Rattlesnake for.

Think before you post.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1707 - 2014-05-01 23:31:01 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:

that isn't for you to decide, kiddo.


You are correct. But the person who does get to decide, already has.


Quote:

and I am clearly pointing out what the Rattlesnake has lost, since so many seem to forget.

I don't know how a baddy like you plays or what narrow minded perspective you are theorycrafting in, but I personally am not looking forward to getting jammed and having nothing to deal with whatever is web scrambling with nothing but puny unbonused lights and mediums drones. Not what I picked Rattlesnake for.

Think before you post.


You do realize sensor strength skills are a thing now, right?

And as for "not what I picked it for", it doesn't matter what you picked it for. You're not that special, that CCP Rise is going to stop at think "Oh ****, I screwed up Priestess Lin's use of the Rattlesnake, better abandon this entire redesign!"

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1708 - 2014-05-01 23:41:58 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
I see that under ISD rules ranting has a new definition: expressing the view that the rattlesnake needs to go back to the drawing board. Lol

Do not bring up the Nestor. You've been warned children!
Speaking of which… why aren't we seeing a balancing pass for the great white whale?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#1709 - 2014-05-01 23:53:43 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

that isn't for you to decide, kiddo.


You are correct. But the person who does get to decide, already has.




Educate yourself on the concept of a "feedback thread" and try again. These changes aren't set in stone no matter how much you stomp your feet about it.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1710 - 2014-05-02 00:05:54 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

that isn't for you to decide, kiddo.


You are correct. But the person who does get to decide, already has.




Educate yourself on the concept of a "feedback thread" and try again. These changes aren't set in stone no matter how much you stomp your feet about it.


They pretty much are and have been since the worm thread. The RS is flat out better now and finally will be worth flying.
Before now it was a overtanked low dps POS. now it will be an epic medium range brawler.
Also he ain't the one doing the feet stomping and throwing his toys out of the pram.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
motie one
Secret Passage
#1711 - 2014-05-02 00:06:45 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

that isn't for you to decide, kiddo.


You are correct. But the person who does get to decide, already has.


Quote:

and I am clearly pointing out what the Rattlesnake has lost, since so many seem to forget.

I don't know how a baddy like you plays or what narrow minded perspective you are theorycrafting in, but I personally am not looking forward to getting jammed and having nothing to deal with whatever is web scrambling with nothing but puny unbonused lights and mediums drones. Not what I picked Rattlesnake for.

Think before you post.


You do realize sensor strength skills are a thing now, right?

And as for "not what I picked it for", it doesn't matter what you picked it for. You're not that special, that CCP Rise is going to stop at think "Oh ****, I screwed up Priestess Lin's use of the Rattlesnake, better abandon this entire redesign!"



Honestly. Kaarous, I know you think things are set in stone now, And you maybe right.

But what would you use the new rattlesnake for that another ship doesn't do better or easier or cheaper or requiring less skill?
I am not saying it is a nestor, It will still be a decent ship, but It Has nothing new or special going for it, that cannot be done better elsewhere.
So if CCP rise does not change things around a bit, even a bit It would show that he has no desire whatsoever for feedback.
That would be really sad.
motie one
Secret Passage
#1712 - 2014-05-02 00:08:30 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
I see that under ISD rules ranting has a new definition: expressing the view that the rattlesnake needs to go back to the drawing board. Lol

Do not bring up the Nestor. You've been warned children!
Speaking of which… why aren't we seeing a balancing pass for the great white whale?

Ahab's at fanfestShocked
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1713 - 2014-05-02 00:14:13 UTC
motie one wrote:
Ahab's at fanfestShocked

"We're going to need a bigger boat."

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1714 - 2014-05-02 00:15:18 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

that isn't for you to decide, kiddo.


You are correct. But the person who does get to decide, already has.




Educate yourself on the concept of a "feedback thread" and try again. These changes aren't set in stone no matter how much you stomp your feet about it.


They pretty much are and have been since the worm thread. The RS is flat out better now and finally will be worth flying.
Before now it was a overtanked low dps POS. now it will be an epic medium range brawler.
Also he ain't the one doing the feet stomping and throwing his toys out of the pram.


Pretty much this. That's your answer, motie. It's a medium range brawler now, this thing can do some evil things, and is adaptable as hell thanks to the missile damage bonus being applicable to every size of launcher, ever.

This is the only ship in the game that can do that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1715 - 2014-05-02 00:17:12 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:

Do not bring up the Nestor. You've been warned children!
Speaking of which… why aren't we seeing a balancing pass for the great white whale?


Are you seriously suggesting sir, that the Nestor is anything other than the finest ship in New Eden?

I find your lack of faith disturbing...

Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#1716 - 2014-05-02 00:18:00 UTC
When will be seeing some love to missile users ?? a missile bonused pirate faction BS will be welcomed and is much needed.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1717 - 2014-05-02 00:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting sir, that the Nestor is anything other than the finest ship in New Eden? I find your lack of faith disturbing…

Here's what I find disturbing… a friend stumbled into a pair of Nestors and a Paladin (all cloaked) with his MJD while near a gate. Who knew they were so good at hiding!? Now if they'd had that Covert Ops cloak he might have only found the Palladin.
Lol

Cage Man wrote:
When will be seeing some love to missile users ?? a missile bonused pirate faction BS will be welcomed and is much needed.

Tomorrow… maybe… we riot.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
motie one
Secret Passage
#1718 - 2014-05-02 00:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:

that isn't for you to decide, kiddo.


You are correct. But the person who does get to decide, already has.




Educate yourself on the concept of a "feedback thread" and try again. These changes aren't set in stone no matter how much you stomp your feet about it.


They pretty much are and have been since the worm thread. The RS is flat out better now and finally will be worth flying.
Before now it was a overtanked low dps POS. now it will be an epic medium range brawler.
Also he ain't the one doing the feet stomping and throwing his toys out of the pram.


Pretty much this. That's your answer, motie. It's a medium range brawler now, this thing can do some evil things, and is adaptable as hell thanks to the missile damage bonus being applicable to every size of launcher, ever.

This is the only ship in the game that can do that.



As it stands It will not do that well at all, sentries will be a poor choice and the only thing that will fit with the RAPID Heavy Missile launchers, which would be bonused medium Superdrones Is not planned for the ship. Heavies will Just suck. your tank is compromised as you HAVE to use your rigs to apply missile damage to small ships. Otherwise watch Angel extravaganza eat rattlesnakes.

so in short With Bonused Gila super drones ( or different spec heavies) it becomes a great Brawler, without it gets left on the shelf for that role.
motie one
Secret Passage
#1719 - 2014-05-02 00:31:05 UTC  |  Edited by: motie one
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
Are you seriously suggesting sir, that the Nestor is anything other than the finest ship in New Eden? I find your lack of faith disturbing…

Here's what I find disturbing… a friend stumbled into a pair of Nestors and a Paladin (all cloaked) with his MJD while near a gate. Who knew they were so good at hiding!? Now if they'd had that Covert Ops cloak he might have only found the Palladin.
Lol
Were they left as a sacrifice to BoB? Bob likes shiny sacrifices, If the nestor had a covert ops cloak, People might bring them into Wormholes and please BOB

BoB is not pleased.......


Cage Man wrote:
When will be seeing some love to missile users ?? a missile bonused pirate faction BS will be welcomed and is much needed.

Tomorrow… maybe… we riot.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1720 - 2014-05-02 00:58:12 UTC
motie one wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Priestess Lin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


You are correct. But the person who does get to decide, already has.




Educate yourself on the concept of a "feedback thread" and try again. These changes aren't set in stone no matter how much you stomp your feet about it.


They pretty much are and have been since the worm thread. The RS is flat out better now and finally will be worth flying.
Before now it was a overtanked low dps POS. now it will be an epic medium range brawler.
Also he ain't the one doing the feet stomping and throwing his toys out of the pram.


Pretty much this. That's your answer, motie. It's a medium range brawler now, this thing can do some evil things, and is adaptable as hell thanks to the missile damage bonus being applicable to every size of launcher, ever.

This is the only ship in the game that can do that.



As it stands It will not do that well at all, sentries will be a poor choice and the only thing that will fit with the RAPID Heavy Missile launchers, which would be bonused medium Superdrones Is not planned for the ship. Heavies will Just suck. your tank is compromised as you HAVE to use your rigs to apply missile damage to small ships. Otherwise watch Angel extravaganza eat rattlesnakes.

so in short With Bonused Gila super drones ( or different spec heavies) it becomes a great Brawler, without it gets left on the shelf for that role.



Problem with 275% bonused medium drones on a rattlesnake is it has 50mb bandwidth and you would be able to deploy five of the things.