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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#281 - 2014-04-11 20:29:27 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
You can say it has nothing to do with losing ships and I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong.


Nah,

Cost of losing ships has never been a prohibiting factor in eve apart from the very early months/year maybe. If it was then there wouldn't be the proliferation of supers etc that CCP have expressed some concerns about (don't ask me for links as I can't be bothered to find them, but remember something mentioned like that.)

There will always be a minority of people who whine and complain whenever they lose any ship. This will never change as the risk averse are quite a big group.

For me personally I don't think they will ever be moved on grid, even though I'd like them to be, but I would like them added to killmails though.
This would stop a few (very few) elite pvp'ers who claim to be solo bragging about their purposed successes when they kill a T1 frig in a boosted/linked T1 frig for example and also give me some feedback when I get stomped in a 1v1 that should have been even or in my favour.
It lets me know if I did something wrong, picked bad tactics, or it the other guy was actually boosted to high heaven in which I wouldn't have stood a chance anyways.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Damen Apol
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#282 - 2014-04-12 20:01:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Damen Apol
Would you also like to see the implants and boosters that the pilot had consumed on killmails? Because running Snake implants with some Quafe and Zor's link is going to give you similar results to receiving OGBs
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#283 - 2014-04-12 20:22:36 UTC
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#284 - 2014-04-12 21:25:54 UTC
Damen Apol wrote:
Would you also like to see the implants and boosters that the pilot had consumed on killmails? Because running Snake implants with some Quafe and Zor's link is going to give you similar results to receiving OGBs


I'm on the fence with these tbh. At least they are being put on the field and risked in combat to provide those boosts. But a well skilled/equipped booster provides boosts similar to multiple full sets of implants (Speed, tank and ewar/tackle etc)

Yes I'd like to see any and all effects on the combat abilities posted in the KM but that is mainly from a AAR analysis point of view. And if I were looking at the rating systems of some KM sites (BC and Z-killboard) then yes I'd like all combat effects added because then you could factor these in your point rating for each kill.

2 T2 fitted T1 frigs in a 1v1 for example with both pilots using clean clones and no OGB would have a point rating of say 10 for the victor.

If the winning pilot used combat enhancing implants then the points would say be 8

If the winning pilot was the one without implants then the points value would say be 12.

And so on and so forth with the points being modified based on how many enhancements the winner had v the loser as well as the number of players on the km v the relative ship classes.

But like I say that is from a self performance analysis point of view. The main reason I'd like to see OGB's on KM is mainly to **** off those 'elite' 1v1'ers who are often multiple link boosted that brag about killing a comparable ship while boosted to the max.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#285 - 2014-05-01 16:51:30 UTC
It is not surprising to see who is arguing so strenuously to keep this obviously bad mechanic.

But I'm curious how prevalent the links are now. They were definitely on the increase when I took a break 8/13. Did did requiring them to at least be outside a pos impact things for the better and has it stayed better?

Are there more or fewer off grid links being used in fw low sec now as compared to August of 2013?

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#286 - 2014-05-01 17:00:26 UTC
Cearain wrote:
It is not surprising to see who is arguing so strenuously to keep this obviously bad mechanic.

But I'm curious how prevalent the links are now. They were definitely on the increase when I took a break 8/13. Did did requiring them to at least be outside a pos impact things for the better and has it stayed better?

Are there more or fewer off grid links being used in fw low sec now as compared to August of 2013?



I know of about 10 link alts owned by gallente pilots. This is obviously at epidemic levels.
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#287 - 2014-05-01 17:14:41 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Cearain wrote:
It is not surprising to see who is arguing so strenuously to keep this obviously bad mechanic.

But I'm curious how prevalent the links are now. They were definitely on the increase when I took a break 8/13. Did did requiring them to at least be outside a pos impact things for the better and has it stayed better?

Are there more or fewer off grid links being used in fw low sec now as compared to August of 2013?



I know of about 10 link alts owned by gallente pilots. This is obviously at epidemic levels.

cool story. i no about 50 link alts owned by minmatar pilots and you can find them all in huola or kourm. this is epidemic

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ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#288 - 2014-05-01 18:00:31 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
oooooohhh goodie erryone loves a good necro


Gal / Cal space in fw there not as bad as Minnie / Amarr warzone all sides use them in fleet fights tho even if some claim they dont.
solo not alot of people use them imo pirates more than fw pilots

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#289 - 2014-05-01 18:06:25 UTC
It was an honest question to anyone who has been playing at least that long.


Do off grid link alts effect an larger or smaller percent of battles compared to August 2013? I know it will be anecdotal but is there any sense that there are fewer due to them not being in poses?

Flyinghotpocket I take it you think there are more of them - at least you think the minmatar are more likely to be boosted. I don't think people can really gauge their own militia or corp because you typically don't fight them.


What about pirates/fw neutrals are they more likely to have off grid links than they were in August 2013?

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ALUCARD 1208
Naga's Be Trippin
#290 - 2014-05-01 18:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: ALUCARD 1208
Cearain wrote:



What about pirates/fw neutrals are they more likely to have off grid links than they were in August 2013?


i dont think there as bad as it was like i said above yeas pirates are still running around at the same rate but i think in our warzone its dropped obv home systems are full of boosts like command ships hugging stations and that but thats to be expected.#

Thing is this whole thread started as a troll by smookie

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Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#291 - 2014-05-01 19:19:43 UTC
Marco
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#292 - 2014-05-01 19:29:09 UTC
ALUCARD 1208 wrote:
Cearain wrote:



What about pirates/fw neutrals are they more likely to have off grid links than they were in August 2013?


i dont think there as bad as it was like i said above yeas pirates are still running around at the same rate but i think in our warzone its dropped obv home systems are full of boosts like command ships hugging stations and that but thats to be expected.#

Thing is this whole thread started as a troll by smookie



Yeah I know op was trolling with the whole crybaby picture showing how he imagines his pvp victims. That never gets old, does it?

It was either start yet another thread about ogb or just post my question here.

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Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#293 - 2014-05-02 16:31:40 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Bloodmyst Ranwar wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
Lilith Velkor wrote:
Aivo Dresden wrote:
Not quite sure why people say 'T3s need to be rebalanced if they are required to boost on grid'. You can already tank them up quite effectively. If you want to do better, get a command ship. T3s shouldn't outperform CS really.


I dont get that either, as it stands you'll get acceptable tank, cloaky warp, bubble immunity and workable dps, all while running a warfare link.

Now name a command ship that does that, and we can talk about t3 needing a buff in that regard.



About all the "probe it down, alpha on station etc" suggestions, you have to realize the actual problem is not large-scale pvp, links are absolutely fine there.

The problem is with small-scale and solo pvp, where they tend to upset a very fragile balance, mostly when we are talking frigate size hulls. The whole "alpha on station" deal is gonna be a problem in frigate hulls, as is the "decloak and kill on gate" if you dont have the luxury of a decent size gang.

Besides, and please excuse my ignorance regarding hisec mechanics, I believe concord will not really like you attacking a booster ship that didnt commit a crime.


EVE is not solo game, get some friends, and you you can suicide gank booster ships in highsec, they do gank even miners so why not booster ships.


Always grinds my gears when people say this..

Eve is a solo game, just like it is a small gang & large scale PvP game. It's sandbox remember?

The problem is off-grid links NOT ONLY has such a large impact on Solo PvP, but ALSO small gang PvP. I have no doubt in my mind off-grid boosts will eventually get nerfed, giving such a large advantage whilst being so risk adverse simply doesn't make sense. Think about it, if they were willing to nerf ECM not long ago (falcon alts), it's inevitable off-grid boosts will be as well. I think I speak for many when I say I'd rather deal with a Falcon on grid then an off-grid booster.

People say highsec carebears are bad.... Some of you proclaimed "PvP'ers" need to start putting your balls on the field and man up.


EvE Literraly stands for Everyone vs Everyone. There is little basis to support focussed 1v1 balancing.

Balance has been and always should be based on individual roles, not flying alone....


I am not sure if that is what EVE stands for. But if it is, I find it mildly humorous that your take away from "everyone versus everyone" is essentially "eve is a team game."




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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#294 - 2014-05-02 17:02:29 UTC
Cearain wrote:

I am not sure if that is what EVE stands for. But if it is, I find it mildly humorous that your take away from "everyone versus everyone" is essentially "eve is a team game.


Everything in the game is set up to support teams. Though as usual you will selectively ignore everything that doest support whatever stupid post you are making at the time. Bravo.
Dorian Tormak
RBON United
#295 - 2014-05-03 16:13:01 UTC
They aren't too much they are just kind of stupid in my opinion but hey they add more to the game and make it that much more complex I guess so why not.

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