EVE General Discussion

Before I begin, I want to say that I am not attacking Eve, or your mothers, sisters, or children. I am just stating my personal opinion on the topic.

I feel Amarr is sub par and weak in general in comparison to the other races. Their T1 lineup is laughable and there are only a select few T2 hulls I would even consider flying.

Here is why:

1. While all other races ships have two effective and useful ship attributes, Amarr ships have only one and the other is wasted just making their primary weapon system viable. With the exception of the Abbadon.

2. Em/thermal damage is pathetic against just about every ship in the game with the exception of Caldari and even their tanks usually have such great passive recharge that it makes up for it. Armor tanked ships take next to no damage from this damage type and MOST pvp ships are armor tanked or speed tanked. Please note that I said most and not all. Please don't flame me with crazy fits on your shield tanked myrm. I understand you can make some insane, crazy fits, I am stating the most commonly seen pvp fits. Generally smart pvpers don't storm into pvp in a shield tanked myrm.

3. Laser cap usage, even with max cap skills, is a nightmare when trying to active tank pve missions. You either have to sacrifice your already crappy dps to make your fit cap stable, or take the extra dps and have to warp in and out every 5 mins when you cap out.

4. Amarr ships are the slowest and least versatile in the game. With the least amount of mid slots of any race, they are useless without massive fleet support. In a fleet they have really nothing they do exceptionally well that the other races can't do better.

Let's talk about their strengths.

1. Scorch, scorch..... Have I mentioned scorch? Scorch allows them to get the near maximum dps that Amarrians are capable of at medium range. The real issue with this ammo type is that it has horrible tracking, horrible cap usage, and quite frankly, due to Amarrian poor speed and manuverability, they wont be keeping anything at their optimal range for long before having to switch to multis anyway.

2. Some Amarr ships can fit a decent buffer. The issue is, the ships I speak of all have pathetic dps, which in turn limits their role in a fleet to bait ship. Wow, that's a fun role right there. The ships I speak of are the Prophecy and Maller. Ya, I bet those ships strike fear into your heart when they pop in on the field, eh? Most fleets will completely ignore them in a fight anyway, making their bait role pointless. Not to mention, Caldari does the tank better and Minmatar can fit damn near the same buffer if they sacrifice their speed. So no real benefit here.

3. The ability to switch weapon optimal on the fly. This is a useful perk. With the speed of Amarr ships, you will be doing this often, rest assured.

Thats about the only real benefts I can think of, perhaps you can think of more. But in general I don't think there are enough pro's to match the cons when it comes to the Amarrian lineup. Please no flaming, this is just my opinion and I love EVE.

So what are all those fleets I see entirely comprised of Zealots and Guardians, or Abaddons and Guardians, or Armageddons and Guardians? Or what about all those Curses you see neuting out all those Archons and Aeons and Avatars? Are they only in my imagination?

1: In most classes, Amarr ships are tougher than their tier-for-tier counterparts, and in some cases do vastly superior dps.
2: Take a look at the list of top 20 ships used in PVP. The vast majority of them are shield tankers, which lasers cut through with ease. The rest are Amarrian.
3: You have cap problems, yes. But you also have near-infinite 'ammo', near-instant crystal switching, and very high dps even at long ranges, perversely outperforming other race's long range guns with your short-range guns at the same ranges.
4: Amarr are not the slowest. Caldari are. Amarr have the most armour hitpoints, the best armour resistance profile, and many ships have resistance bonuses. You also have very good signature radii, beaten only by Minmatar. As a race, the survivability of your ships is second to none.

Bitching about your strengths, which you manage to turn into weaknesses...

1: Scorch is overpowered. No other race gets damage projection as good as Amarr ships when using their short-ranged weapons. A minor tracking penalty is a non-issue when using high-tracking short-range guns.
2: One word: Abaddon.
3: Just stop whining.

You are of course entitled to your opinion. The problem is that your opinion is based on total crap.

I'm not a PvPer, but I can realistically agree with the EM/Therm problem. None of the other races are put at such an unbelievable disadvantage against Angels and Guristas than the laser-toting Amarr.

At this point, since I am not effectively cross-trained into another race -- it is easier for me to just blatantly dismiss any Angel or Guristas missions I am given.

If you are not gonna back up your claims with facts, proving that you know more about what your talking about than me, then don't bother posting.

So shoot Sansha or Blood Raiders.

Gallente and Caldari hybrid platforms have a similar problem, in that they are limited to Kinetic and Thermal damage types. Because their defensive resistances are built to counter those damage types as well, their T2 ships have massive EM shield and Explosive armour holes. By comparison, Amarr armour tanks and Minmatar shield tanks have far more balanced resists.

somebody mentioned that the amar ships arent actaully the slowest, but i'd liek to point out that once you've fit a plate or two, they are rather sluggish.

My double plated Abaddon only goes like 90m/s without its MWD active....thats sloooow

The punisher struggles from the same issue the maller and prophecy does. The Abbadon is in its own class because its bonuses are completey different than all the other ships. the legion is known to be the worst t3 ship in the game. The geddon has only 3 mid slots, nuf said. And the rest you mention are t2. With the exception of the curse, the others can all be easily overshadowed by any other races t2 hulls

EFT dps is not the same as real dps. An AC Hurricane will be fighting in falloff 90% of the time, while a Harbinger can just scorch it to death from 30 or 40km away, not to mention the 50m3 drone bay. A blaster-fit Myrmidon will melt a Harbinger if it gets into its 2km optimal range, but the Harbinger again has far more range.

There is no point comparing the tank of any other BC to a Drake. The Drake might tank better, but you should just give up now if you can't make up for that by outdamaging it.

You are correct, by natural stats Amarr are second slowest to Caldari, but remember caldari shield tank. Put plates and trimarks into play and Amarr is by far the slowest.

While I agree Amarr need a buff, I have to disagree with most of what the OP goes on about.

Cap usage bonuses for guns? Fair point, however, the only ship it really hinders is the Prophecy (I haven't really flown the Oracle enough to really gauge it). Take the Punisher for example, sure, lasers won't do as much damage as Blasters, but you end up using less cap with lasers than with Blasters (which makes a difference so crazy, you'd be ******** to fit blasters on a Punisher). The Maller is fine the way it is. If you need more DPS in missions, get better gunnery skills or use a Paladin ffs.

As far as tanking goes, while yes, Shield fits can be crazy with the passive regen and ****, but holy balls is it hard to break a well done armor tank. Which, if you're complaining it's hard, well tough, that's just how it is. Active armor tanks are hard to pull off and make work, but it's doable. My only real complaint is that shield tanks get both mid and some low slot modules to tank (so if you really had to, you can use both mids and lows to tank) where as Armor is just limited to low slots.

Amarr has more PG than on ships of the other races on average, meaning more room for more tank, or if you want to go all DPS you're going to be able to fit the biggest guns and push out the maximum DPS possible, not to mention Amarr typically has the best drone bays after the Gallente, so whereas tier for tier other races are only getting lights (or in the cases of Minmatar where it's like one medium and four lights), we're rocking a full set of Mediums like the Gallente. Hell, Amarr recons are utterly painful.

Also, 1600mm plate Harb that still tops 900 DPS? lol screw your shield fleets

We're slow bulky yet heavy hitting motherfuckers, and it's awesome. So a few ships got the short end of the stick, it happens. Sure, the EM/Therm thing is a pain, but you get used to it after a few years.