Assembly Hall

Here is the part you are not getting:

Null miners in many alliances, are NOT ALLOWED to fight back.
Specifically, the concern is that the players harassing the miners will have a good time, and come back for more.

The call was made from an excel sheet, not a fun to play perspective.

My view, is that IF we make mining something where evasion is not the only option, we can stay mining, as well as draw in more miners just for the fights themselves.

Make anything fun, and more people want to do it.
If harassing becomes fun, it happens more often.

BUT, if mining becomes more fun, as well as more rugged against opposing forces, mining then happens more often.

People have fun, everyone wins.
Isn't that what we want out of a game?

I wise man once told me that unless you know without doubt, do not assume anything.

Do not limit the scope of what you think just by what you think you see. Behind that tree is a large forest.

It is good to see that you are expanding your horizions

Null miners in many Alliances are told not to fight back...right.

They are told not to be stupid, as that brings back more of them. Being stupid as in not watching local, intel channels, setting a scout etc etc. In which most of your jewbears out there DO NOT do any of that, thus they get popped. Because they are stupid.

If gankers can't find targets they will move on, especially if they find a "smart" jewbear". Because after a few times they will just move on to something else. Because for every one "smart" jewbear, there are 100 dumb ones.

The reason miners are told to not interact is because they are truly miners/jews. And the simple fact that most of these guys are so risk averse, they will lose a Tengu to an Ares.

Then they cry in Allinace chat that no one came and helped them because they were tackled in a belt. And normally that is what you get "HALP I AM TACKLED IN A BELT" and most of the time you spend stupid time trying to figure out where is your little noob.

They are good at building stuff, digging in the dirt, shooting rats...but absolutely no common sense when it comes to deal with hostiles. Most of them just think that they pay for a game, joined an alliance so now they should receive all the protection and no one should ruin "their" game.

So the leadership decided the no interaction / aggression to save themselves a little sanity.

This game has been dumbed down so much, it has lost a lot of it's original flavor and it makes me a sad panda. The game is based on the premise that you use common sense and some form of cognitive skills to out smart and kill your opponent. But unfortunately you have a chunk of the EvE population think they are playing an arcade game, have no social skills what so ever and can not grasp how some one killed their Tengu with an Ares....


EDIT: Also, as far as alliance isk/ minerals, yeah normally their logistics jewcrew takes care of that or has some minerals program for the pubbies.

Ok, so I read through your Post, but not all the comments, as most just want to sidestep what you’re asking for to throw at you, what you “should” be doing. Ignoring all that banter, I’ve thought on this through the years… I like Cloaks too and have no desire to Nerf them… but I do believe there’s a sensible and logical solution to help deal with the AFK Cloakers, while not affecting the Active Recon Pilot.
You’ve already partial mentioned my solution, to which Obviously someone touched on before with using Probes. It would have to be a specialized Probe, which also goes along with a new technology idea. It’s not anything Crazy… Basically Sonar or as I’d like to call it USDAS (Unidentified Spatial Displacement Anomaly Sensor).
The USDAS Probes would scan at perhaps limited ranges (32 AU Max), identify what it knows (i.e. planets, star gates, asteroids, ships, etc.) and weed them out. This Scan process would take longer than typical probes. What would be left are the USDAs. Scan Deviation would be horrendous… And by the time you reach a say .5 AU Scan, the Best you’ll get to “Landing on your Target” would be within 100km. Perhaps a new skill could be implemented to reduce this a tad.
To be clear, The Probes Will Not Identify ANYTHING… Just show the USDA. Perhaps a new deployable could be developed that would be released as a decoy that would mimic a USDA with a limited lifespan.
So now what you say? Well in comes the next part of my idea… the UDAS Module. A High slot Mod that emits a sonar or Wave pulse. It’s non-invasive meaning that it doesn’t incur aggression. It doesn’t de-cloak anything. It merely resonates back a “Ghost” image of what’s in space. This sonar wave would have an optimal and fall-off… to the visual feedback. The optimal may be 20km… the fall off 10km. The visual ghost would only be visible from the pilot with the mod. Within the Optimal Range, the visual would be pretty clear… and as it goes out… less prominent. This could be used on gates, next to stations… anywhere. Obviously, if you see a cloaky ship from the resonation… you’d want to head towards it… and get close enough to de-cloak it. That’s it! The resonation would last, maybe 10 - 20 seconds and you’d need to visually look for it.
To be clear this Mod WILL NOT: 1) De cloak anything 2) show the ship on Overview 3) let you lock him 4) show his ghost image to anyone else.
Point is, this doesn’t Nerf anything, truly… anyone not open to any middle ground discussion just clearly Wants to AFK Cloak. I don't care if this would be implemented or not, but I think having work arounds for something that seems entirely immune is a good thing. I honestly don’t care about AFK cloaks… it doesn’t affect me… but this issue just needs a resolution… Much like Interceptors now.

The main issue is really fairly simple, it is not game mechanics, it is straight up the psychosis of the player, period. The large majority of the player base in NULL deals with and understands how to work around it.

This kind of whine comes from a smaller, louder and whinier crowd of folk that can't seem to achieve the same results as the other players in their respective corps and or alliances.

It is hard for me to understand why there is such an out cry from folk that can not seem to pull it together, but with in the very same community, you have scores of players that can. Everyone has the same tools with in the game.

It boils down to the player behind the keyboard, and what I am reading from a few folks here is that they want a buff because they are personally challenged or lazy.

I was going to break down your post but to sum it up, you really do not know what you are talking about.

Understanding you is not what this is about, trying to psycho analyze your "quirks" is not part of the issue. The issue is that you have certain folks unable to adapt to the conditions other players are able to. Thus this is not a mechanic issue but a personal issue for the person behind the keyboard.

The basis of this thread is simple, it is to make a mechanics issue into a social issue. Thus you have a small portion of the community that can not or will not take the time to understand the mechanics and use them as everyone else does. They are looking for a crutch because they feel that they are special, and should not have to be subjected to the conditions others have to play by.

They view the game as socially incorrect, and that it should fit their geopolitical views as they see the world. And that from their view point, people like me do not belong. As you had mentioned, I do not belong, you want to exclude me and many others like me from the game because I have proved contrary to your beliefs that the current mechanics of this game and the game play is working as intended.

Proved? what do I need to prove, you carry the burden, not I. The folks that can not cope with he current system has yet to bring forth a solid reason why the current mechanics does no work for everyone and how that would benefit all forms of game play, not just the removing of certain game play because you do not seem to like it.

I sat back a bit and tried to wrap my head around why there is so much angst about this. Now I have played on both sides of this, doing the jewbear thing to replace ships or buy me something shiny. Or enforcing an alliance directive to gut the target alliance.

I have been privy to all sorts of forum rants, communications and intel from my opponents and the common thread through all of them (SMASH, ROADKILL, BOB, RISE, COW, TRI, BRUCE, -A-, A Citizens, etc etc) is "please do not be stupid and give a way losses." It is pretty simple, it is telling you not to do stupid stuff.

Now, you mentioned you have an issue with authority, well that tells me a lot. It tells me that you are not a team player, you have no interest in supporting the alliance you have signed on with, nor do you really care what the objectives of said alliance/corp is.

Thus all you want, and many of the socially challenged with in the ODD ( Oppositional Defiant Disorder) crowd, is to play an arcade game and play how ever you want, due tothe fact your monthly payment entitles you this right, and the right of others is of no consequence.

No sir, you do not fully understand EvE. Nor do you understand how the game is played in NULL.

I am standing on the current mechanics, i have the position of not wanting it messed with. Period. If you do not like what I say then HTFU.

I am not required to come up with a solution to something that is not broken.

Also, you need to get off the grandstanding wounded knee crap, you are coming off like a 12 year old with a complex.