Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't you think that, neutral RR aside, that if people found it fun that they'd fight? More to the point, if people found it fun - they're probably already out fighting.

A far, far better idea to increase overall pewpew is to encourage people to go to low and make the entry points a little less...lethal. The myth needs to be dispelled that it's instant death when you're down there.

Of course that doesnt fix high sec decs, but it gets more people down into free fire zones and that's what people want right? More fights?

For some ppl its about fights. For the carebear it might be about productivity/efficiency an agenda or goal.

90% of the carebears i know really enjoy pew pew PvP. But they still often dock up for 7 days when decced because there is nothing, from their perspective, to gain from fighting. Even when they undock, fight off the aggressors, they can mine or mission for like 5 mintues before the aggressors come back. Even if they smash the aggressors, they still cannot safely engage in day to day PvE until the war dec is over.

For that reason i like the idea of allowing the defenders to end the dec early after completing some objective. There may be indy corps that want to take the opportunity to prematurely end a dec, either by doing it themselves, or hiring mercs to do it for them. And once the dec is over, it allows them to continue as they were before the dec, but sooner than 7 days.

This would not force them anywhere, they dnt have to undock and can follow the tradition of docking up for 7 days. But there would also be an option to 'win' the dec.

But dispelling the 'horror' of low sec is a good way to encourage simple and casual pew pew

RR is a bigger deal than i think u realise.

Its why 100man corps still feel fairly powerless against 3 man decs. Because there is such a good chance that RR will be involved and they wont be able to break the 3 legions with command link support even if they used 100 cruisers. Ppl have even told me the reason they wont undock even when they outnumber the aggressors is because they are likely to have RR and they just cant get the DPS together.

I know its not going to happen, but if neut RR was impossible the dynamics of decs would transform considerably, and i know several corps/alliances that would be far more prepared to undock and fight when they are decced by corps significantly smaller than themselves.

The "horror" of low sec hasn't really ever been true.

How do you propose to get people to stop believing that lie, I wonder? Because it damn well better not be "discourage gatecamps". There are few enough ways to force a fight in this game already, and gates are a primary one.

The solution is "don't be stupid", but that seems to be asking too much.

It is literally impossible to play this game and not engage with others on some level. Unless they mine their own ore, build EVERYTHING they use and sell nothing. EVen then I'm not sure because blueprints.

The flaw in the logic is that the only player interaction in this game is pewpew when in reality it is so much more. Not as "in your face" but it is everywhere.




So people stop being stupid and stop jumping into gate camps - then you don't get your pewpew....what then? Will you complain that chickens aren't marching directly into the foxes lair?

Don't you see? You'll never make them fight. You might make them quit and I'm sure you've no problem with that, me I'm more live and let live.


I'll use me as an example - I have a high sec mission alt which you'll never get to fight willingly. Whilst I accept the risk of catalyst death, of course, war? Not ever. I use it to fund another accounts PvP. PvP isn't cheap and the money needs to come from somewhere, that mission bear being vulnerable to more than just suicide raises the question - is it worth the trouble anymore? It's already a big enough pain in the rear to farm isk as it is, having him dodge WTs etc becomes...is it worth it?


Edit: I suppose I could just play the market instead, but then I'd literally never undock....so then not even the mighty catalyst swarms could touch me.

If that alt got decced, would u like to take the opportunity to end the wardec early? perhaps not urself, but hiring mercs to do it if u wanted? or u can just do everything u do now?

(except dropping corp and joining another player corp, personally i dislike that)

No, it's a hassle. I'd drop corp* because the entire reason the char exists is to facilitate other stuff I find fun on a different account.

I dont need hassle on an account that is already a chore to maintain. Unfortunately I'm not so awesome that I can make money from pewpew.


*Well, actually that isnt true. I have insurance set up in the form of appropriately configured clones in low and null for the day a dec comes, I just activate the one in a quiet system and wait it out there doing some anom ratting/exploration. Again though, that becomes a hassle after a while. Remember the character to which I refer is just a money maker, fun is had elsewhere.

Remarkable how many high sec war deccers wont come down there . Yes, I'm confident everyone here is a hero and would be right down, but a lot dont bother.

No, you wouldnt. You'd just see more people in NPC corps. Remember I'm talking about an account (or accounts, I dont suppose many in RvB, for example, are mains) set up exclusively to fund PvP on another.

Edit: wait, you quoted a different post my bad. let me correct.

I would think it would depend. Depends on the inconvenience suffered I guess - you may stop corps folding but you'll still never force engagement from them. If they have stuff worth keeping they'll most likely hire mercs. All of this, however assumes that the attacker actually has a strategic goal which generally seems to be absent. The overwhelming vibe I get from these type of threads is they want indys and barges to shoot at at and gosh why isn't there a giant "force undock" button they can press whilst dressing it up as "but we want good fights, it's not about free kills" whilst giving a host of reasons about why they don't go into low and null.

The thing is, the attackers are able to choose their targets, and can focus their attacks on soft targets and fall back when they meet hard resistance. Its a guerrilla style fight.

the defenders have no soft targets to counter attack, no assets in space to siege. only combat ready PvP pilots that undock when they are good and ready, command boosts up and RR just out of D-scan range.

giving defenders some way to 'win' not 'lose' is what im pushing at.

aggressors already have their reasons for deccing, thats why they dec.