Science & Industry

so the OP wants to know if he'll still be able to set a bunch of prints in the cooker, log off and come back 1-2 weeks later and do it again. Of course the answer is yes, but you'll likely have to put more time into determining what can profitably be manufactured, and you should probably relocate now to a system that's away from the hubs and has lots of vacant offices. That will be the only way I can see to control manufacturing costs. Of course, that increases shipping costs, so sittting back and waiting for it all to shake out might be the best plan of option for a causal player for now.

I have way too many assets to consider moving from where I am currently, so I'm going to wait and see how it impacts my margins before I make a decision to move. I won't be able to relocate frequently though and I certainly don't want to end up with blueprints in multiple systems as a result of having to scout out the best ones for building at whatever time i'm putting prints in.

The 'Teams' blog is the most interesting part of the industry changes and isn't anything to do with capsuleers working together to do industry quicker or with less material waste. I strongly advise you to read all the latest industry blogs several times although the changes are far from complete or decided. The POS side of things is a real mess.

Until the Corporation/Alliance Roles & Permissions are completely renovated to allow secure use of POSes by multiple corp members without endangering others jobs or the POS structure the only way to do a lot of industry stuff is solo and/or with alts. So don't worry and bar the changes you can carry on as you are. Sort of..........

Pretty much this. I'm very busy in RL atm and this will go on for the rest of the year. Can't even attend my lab slots regularly.

These changes come in a bad moment. I can't be bothered with the effort required to adapt right now.

I will just take down my pos, unsub all my indy accounts for the time being and see if maybe it makes sense to get back into it this time next year.

In the meantime I'll stick to the odd level 3 mission in my Vengeance every now and then.

Yes your gameplay style has been sacrificed.

Null Sec blocks have used their power, influence and their domination of the CSM to win changes that move industry to null sec. They started campaigning a long time ago due to worries about moon goo nerfing, wanting another income source to fund SRP (although renter empires have solved the problem anyway).

You have to be able to prevent other people from using your system for buying a team to make sense, otherwise freeloading will just drive production costs up until the benefit of team has been lost.

This means only people in corps and alliances based in null and low sec will be able to produce at competitive prices. The ONLY place for lone industrialist in the new system is in items that no one else can be bothered to dominate - the crumbs. If null sec groups want to corner all of industry they could.

The class of players that enjoys industrial / entrepreneurial game play will die off or have to go suck up to a null sec power block for space and join or form a corp to do so.

I think a lot will die off - and given Null sec blocks don't need help now with SRP funding, CCP are gaining nothing at all from this. I am sure pure industrialists are a small proportion of the player base (most industry is probably alts) but CCP just lost that player base, as most wont want to bow and scrape in a big alliance or corp to maintain their play style.

should be fine for a solo industrialist. The only major difference is that a pos will be more of a requirement, which you might argue it already was.

The major change is teams + install fees will make it so that the "steady-state" of t1 industry will no longer be so. You won't just be able to update your prices and be able to assess your profit margins perfectly. You'll have dynamic factors to account for. Which is good.

Uhuh solo industry. I'm talking 1 guy 5 accounts. Roughly 1000 t2 mods, 30 t2 frigs and 5 t2 cruisers a week. Around 2 to 3 capital ships a month depending on wich ones are build.

Is this the kind of solo industry you speak of or is it more the i run a bpo once or so every week?

I think I will go with this and unsub my accounts too.

I don't have a physics degree..... nor do I have a doctorate in mathematics. Seems to me this is the only way anyone can understand Eve these days and what the upcoming changes mean to industry.

I'm a casual solo player, I log on 2 or 3 times a week... I might build some stuff, copy some stuff, move something around and occasionally get shot at by a big gang because that is their idea of PvP.

I don't have the time to read all the dev blogs no come to that allr the forum posts because half of them are just kids trying to sound clever so all I can understand is that after the next changes it will be a waste of time copying anything to sell as the copy times are so far reduced that every man and his dog will be doing it and building anything won't be worthwhile as I can't compete with the big alliances who can hire all the new 'work teams' at auction. Also I will have to log in at least twice a day since anyone can now set up a POS in high sec so it's far more likely someone will want it removed. I already stopped doing PI because as a solo player I can't defend a POCO.

CCP has this obsession with getting players to work together in groups without making any allowance for those who simply don't want to follow this template. So where to go from here? I really don't know. I feel like I'm being forced into a group just to carry on playing so I probably won't bother. Yes you can have my stuff, no problem.

I see where you're coming from now regarding groups versus solo players doing industry. But atm we can still only speculate what will happen and no one can say with any certainty what will happen post 22nd July. CCP still has NO IDEA whatsoever on how POSes will be used for science & manufacturing jobs as regards any bonuses to material waste and/or taxes. We still have no firm idea as to the economics and whether jobs will be better performed at NPC stations or at POSes. Anything in the dev blogs can be changed at any time before release - just ask the guys who started getting ready for rig slots on Freighters.

Regarding the 'teams' everyone will be able to access information on failed and successful bids and where the 'teams' are currently working. So if you wanted to then depending on location & logistics you could move to where the 'teams' are to get further bonuses. That is obviously going to happen.

We also stopped doing PI shortly after the high sec changes and a short foray into POCO setups. Widespread ownership by entities like Obsidian Front etc with 70%+ taxes made it less favourable. It should have been obvious to CCP that this would happen as well. Dependant on how efficient POS use is after the changes you should expect placeholder small towers to be put up everywhere by similar entities as well.

Until the roles & permissions are fixed solo industry will still be the safest way to go for most industrialists so you shouldn't worry too much. I don't expect it will end up as bad as you might fear in the end.

And this is a good thing. I do not want to push a button to get bacon.

I prefer to make my bacon the old fashioned way!

Keep the tears coming please.

Lazy players getting wrecked by Crius is beautiful to see.


It is truly becoming the Cry-us expansion.
Thank you CCP