Crime & Punishment

First, you stated that you asked the first contract if this was alright with them, I'm assuming that is because you saw that it could be a conflict of interest. If that is the case, why didn't you inform Gevlon that you had a prior contract that may be a conflict of interest? To me, and others, it looks as if you were double dipping. Honestly, i can see why Gevlon would be mad.

Second, in the exchange of mails you had with Gevlon, it was stated that he wanted the ships to be jammed, and he would pay for any killmail that showed ECM was used. In the end, there has been little proof presented that you did what he asked, which was use ECM. You then expected him to pay you for all of the mails when he never got what he asked for. That's essentially painting someones house fuschia when they asked for hot pink and then saying "well it looks similar" when they ask you why.

It seems as if you had left some expectations that were not met and when Gevlon said no, you decided to get back at him. Using loopholes in the agreement to excuse your actions.

But Gevlon isn't totally innocent either, from what i know about him, knee jerk reactions is what he does. And that's what he did. He should at least pay for the pod kills that you guys did get. I don't think he will though, which is unfortunate. Also, his blog post was terrible.

In the future i hope you make sure everyone agrees to the terms of the contract so that there's no misunderstandings. Also, if you think there is a conflict of interest with one party, you should probably check with the other as well, so you don't end up with another situation like this one.

-TBP

I am shocked and appalled at this entire situation.

Who the **** would take a contract from gevlon in the first place?

..... I am such a whore.

Now me not being an expert like Alek here but 'Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks'. So you being allied with them you had to wait till they went criminal correct? So you being able to jam them would mean concorde would swiftly finish them off with no more damage to the goons target. How long does it take an interceptor to finish off a battlecruiser I think its more than 5-6 seconds so all you really did was whore on kills. Well done Noir :)

I repeat 'Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks'. Your delusional, the best way to stop a suicide gank is to ECM the attacker and let concorde finish them off not using interceptors. That is why YOU suggest using EAF in the mails.

Gevlon
'The plan would be to NOT be at war with Goons, forming up in Scorpions and Blackbirds and jamming out Goon Taloses and Brutixes when they go GCC, spoiling their ganks. '

Alek
'I'll accept a bounty contract on Goon suicide gankers but Scorps and BB's are a bit pedestrian for us. Much prefer to do things with EAF and be more mobile.'

From you own emails! EAF Electronic Attack Frigate Not Scorpions and blackbirds but .... kitsune. Unless you had another electronic attack frigate in mind I love to know which :)

I had to switch to an alt to ecm as some mercs were shooting lemmings so I WAS ecming quite well thank you.
Also were there three contracts because on your podcast at about the 38th minute you state the you had a contract to shoot the guys shooting goons. So doesn't that make three contracts?
1.The 'main' one shooting goons.
2.Gevlons contract
3.and the one 'shooting the guys' shooting goonswarm contract (38 min on the podcast)

So you stating you were going to use EAF as opposed to Blackbirds and scorpions in the contract negotiations was never going to happen and that you were just stringing him along for what purpose exactly?
Also you seem to have ignored your main contract 'Our main BJ contract explicity had us attacking Goons during suicide ganks' because 'Attempting to jam a target after it's already fired in a .9 is pointless' even more so is firing on them.

Alek
'But we do things a little differently as you know ;p '
Most don't go round shooting their clients so I concede on that point.

Clearly the contracts were not conflicting. If you want exclusive service you put that in your contract and you pay for it.

Double Post.

I respect your opinion however wouldn't it have been better to inform BOTH clients potential conflict of interest rather than just one?
Also it would have been better that when the question of a conflict of interest arose on the podcast that he told the truth as opposed to lying.
It is just my opinion that your leaders tried to act 'clever' by playing two sides against each other to get more isk. Trying to be clever with your contracts doesn't seem a good way to maintain a reputation built on trust. I'm sure future clients will read your contracts and think what scam could Noir pull on them.
This is my last word on the matter. Since your leadership seems to think they have been hard done by I expect to see you in the next couple of weeks to come. Apparently they have decided B and C more closely linked than they previously thought. Lol.

PS Kaea Astridsson (below) according to Alek Entity A was saying shoot everyone so it looks like Noir was wanting double pay. By double pay I mean being paid twice for the same job. Definitely no conflict of interest just a scam to get paid twice.

No, I can't see a conflict there. You're confusing "inflict maximum damage on A yourself" with "assist B in inflicting maximum damage on A". They were hired to do the first, not the second. They can shoot both A and B, especially given the offended party is a member of C and not related to either A or B.

Goblin brings a whole new definition to the word "butthurt".

Yes. I so don't want to pay you 2B that I rather pay 20B to get your titan killed. I definitely just want to keep my money here.
Maybe you should ask your spiritual leader how to respond.

Oh wait, you can't, Ripard got him banned.