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im so very glad you added this.

i find these changes interesting but i was left with the feeling that as a player there was little benefit to any coordinated team play. When I first saw there would be a dev blog on team play I had envisaged that there would be skills and benefits to grouping together on a corp or alliance level. Where each individual brings some unique characteristic that is combined with other industrialists. New industrial implants that wouuld work better when grouped with other players.

this is a first start, and although at first seeming a bit complex, i did not start eve because it was easy. In fact the appeal to me has always been the dynamic and complex industrial side. I look forward to testing this out on SiSi.

Again the complained about fact of only a few (relatively) outposts in null works in the favour of those in null. They only need to guarantee outbidding on the best teams to fill the outposts for the pre-planned runs and they are automatically guaranteed to outproduce the opposition on whichever item they build since no-one else can compete with the remaining teams. Compound that with the 20% refining boost , outpost me boost and anything else I missed and this is looking good for null production.

Again the complained about fact of only a few (relatively) outposts in null works in the favour of those in null. They only need to guarantee outbidding on the best teams to fill the outposts for the pre-planned runs and they are automatically guaranteed to outproduce the opposition on whichever item they build since no-one else can compete with the remaining teams. Compound that with the 20% refining boost , outpost me boost and anything else I missed and this is looking good for null production.

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I guess logistics is free, right? The 50% increase in jump fuel consumption doesn't kinda hurt nullsec producers just a little? Maybe? You think any real nullsec producer is going to be building battleships to sell in empire? I think you're pretty safe there. Carry on.

First, top team (XL ship/titan specialization) will go for billions.

Second, any "small but elite" group of industrialists in nullsec will be bidding against the combined weight of "small but elite" highsec industrialists groups, to which adds every other random player.

What a lot of people dont seem to realize is the shift from planning (finding your productio niche and feeding it week after week) to decision-making. You are leaving a system involving (rather simple) optimisation problems to a system focusing on (complex by nature) competitive cooperation problems. If this doesnt makes you feel good about all the idiots you'll be able to **** over, you're an idiot yourself.

edit: P.S: this change is VERY related to teamwork in industry, as a coordinated effort will ensure a larger rate of bid-winning while sharing the costs. If you were hoping on some sort of forced-multi-player producing, you're underestimating how easy that would get gamed by multi-accounts producers.

Bravo sir.

at walking away fromt he game

Quoted for posterity. Teams do for manufacturing exactly what decryptors do for invention.

On another note, I have to agree with those saying that this is making industry more complex. Whether this is good or bad is a matter of individual opinion.

Personally, I think its a PITA, and will require an entirely new UI aspect for the bidding process. I'm certainly not going to quit over it, and I sure as Hell won't be chasing teams across New Eden. I will simply use the best possible team available and I will likely never bid on them.

The fact that all bids within a solar system are pooled together means that the systems with the most successful manufacturers will always get the best teams. Whether that system happens to be Jita, Nonni, VFK, or some random system remains to be seen.

Since all players can see where those teams are operating, it will eventually come out where the best teams are operating (can you say EveMaps?) and some players will move there to take advantage of those excellent teams. But that will increase congestion, raising the installation fees of jobs. Griefers and suicide gankers will also use this information to find targets. Perhaps next year Burn Jita won't actually be in Jita.

I'm looking forward to see how the dynamics of this new system play out.

Indeed, if a system continues to gain activity due to having consistently high quality and useful teams, it eventually begins to get so expensive that even those top notch teams can't provide enough advantage to justify keeping all that production going on there. Then people begin to relocate to the next best teams/low population systems... and the cycle continues.

The system is highly self balancing, and actually quite brilliant.

Now if only something similar could be implemented for market activity.

I think he said something about pre-seeding teams in one of his many replies.

Weaselior is right to ask, though. SoniClover's response was directly regarding the auctions; there's some wiggle room about whether teams will be seeded *active* at the release.

Soniclover's reply does point out that there will be some very short auctions (a few hours) right after release though. Those might be important to watch.

I suppose, worst case, there will be an hour before the first teams could be active (assuming any of the 6-ish teams are worth bidding on) and potentially longer if the first several teams are crap (meaning we have to wait for the 3rd, 4th, ... auction to finish).

MDD