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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#41 - 2014-04-30 13:07:34 UTC
Carnia Astrael wrote:
Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.


Are you familiar with the New Order of Highsec? We are a player organization which enforces a code of conduct in high security space. This code includes provisions against cursing in local chat and treating our Agents with disrespect. CCP lets us pretty much do as we please in the sandbox and allows the community to police itself (within reason), which is how it should be.

Perhaps you would like to consider becoming an Agent? You can find the details at www.minerbumping.com

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Wulfgar WarHammer
Unrustled
#42 - 2014-04-30 13:40:33 UTC
Can I have your stuff?
Franky Saken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-04-30 13:45:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Franky Saken
Maybe some chatlogs would help so we can see if it's over the edge or not.
Lord LazyGhost
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-04-30 15:31:20 UTC
Show us where the bad potty mouthed Pixel touched you
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-04-30 16:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Thomas Builder wrote:
I never quite get that argument.

Sure, EVE is about being the villain. But using foul language doesn't make you a bad guy, it just makes you appear immature. Being a villain is about your actions, not your words. You can be classy and evil. And you usually gain more with a kind word and a gun than a gun alone.

Of course, foul language used as a combat tactic to effect irrational, self-detrimental in-game behavior is something completely else and an useful tool in ones arsenal. (Which might or might not apply to the OP's situation.) But there are players who use it all the time for no apparent reason. And justifying pointless rudeness with "HTFU, I'm a bad boy," is just pathetic.

I have to admit, I totally agree with this. I'm embarrassed whenever one of my "allies" starts spouting foul language in local. (I do not feel such actions are petitionable, but it reflects badly on everyone around them)

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Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
#46 - 2014-04-30 17:10:17 UTC
To the OP, the chat in Eve isn't different from any IRC chat, where you can find a mix of what you can find in Eve (and even worse with the scripts kiddies), and like others said you can block them anytime, and even filter offending words automatically since the recent patches.
On the other way your condescending and threatening text, even without insults, smell a bit of trolling. I'm a game developer too and that doesn't give me any right on Eve since I'm a consumer in this virtual world. I think you can understand the nuance.

We are all here to have fun, and fun is a wide and personal aspect that can even include smack talk for some. If that (really?) reach you, maybe the entire online world that is internet isn't for you.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#47 - 2014-04-30 17:21:17 UTC
Carnia Astrael wrote:
Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.


Oh noes! How shall Eve ever survive?

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350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2014-04-30 17:27:57 UTC
Although I think this is a troll thread I'll say this. HTFU does not justify racism, misogyny, antisemitism, homophobia, or any other general bigotry. Whenever I've flown with people who cross a line I call them on it. If it doesn't stop I don't fly with them any more. There's plenty of people in eve to associate with. You're not forced to associate with anyone.

If it happens in public chats report it. If you see it on ship names, report it. If you see it in charter names, report it. If your corp or alliance chat is filled with 16 year olds who just learned a new pejorative then right click your toon and quit the corporation.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.
Subject 4927
DPS INC
Kenshin Shogunate.
#49 - 2014-04-30 17:54:19 UTC
I'll just leave this here.

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-04-30 18:18:29 UTC
350125GO wrote:

If it happens in public chats report it. If you see it on ship names, report it. If you see it in charter names, report it. If your corp or alliance chat is filled with 16 year olds who just learned a new pejorative then right click your toon and quit the corporation.


Or you could mind your own business and realize that while bigotry may be asinine, ITS NOT ILLEGAL.

We used to name our ships anti-french names when we fought against a french-based FW corp. Is this wrong? If so, who are you to dictate that? Obviously the french guys didnt care. It was all in good fun.

Ah, my Ferox "Paris is Burning"... how I miss her....





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Dsparil Mal
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2014-04-30 18:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Dsparil Mal
Carnia Astrael wrote:
Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.



I thought you weren't replying any further. LIAR!!!!!!!!

Erotica 1 for CSM 9!
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2014-04-30 18:42:32 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
350125GO wrote:

If it happens in public chats report it. If you see it on ship names, report it. If you see it in charter names, report it. If your corp or alliance chat is filled with 16 year olds who just learned a new pejorative then right click your toon and quit the corporation.


Or you could mind your own business and realize that while bigotry may be asinine, ITS NOT ILLEGAL.

We used to name our ships anti-french names when we fought against a french-based FW corp. Is this wrong? If so, who are you to dictate that? Obviously the french guys didnt care. It was all in good fun.

Ah, my Ferox "Paris is Burning"... how I miss her....



Re-reading my post and I don't see anywhere I said it was illegal, in fact, I said if you don't like it, stop associating with people. Though I realize bigotry is a hatred of a specific group of people, and therefor your anti-French example fits, the term is generally used and understood to be hatred of a certain group of people due to race/religion/sexual orientation, etc. Jingoistic based bigotry is not what I was referring to, and your example of "Paris is burning" is neither, since the phrase is an idiom anyway, at least in English speaking countries.

Not looking at your character to see how long you been playing, but bigotry is not tolerated by CCP. There was a major incident back in 2005/2006 where a corp (or possibly alliance I don't remember which) was renamed by CCP because their name was the same as an anti-Chechen hate group that was active in the former Czech Republic. Bigotry is not illegal, but it doesn't mean we should tolerate it.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.
Pubbie Spy
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-04-30 18:48:43 UTC
Carnia Astrael wrote:
Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.


Please do link your review here, it is shaping up to be quite... entertaining.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-04-30 18:52:23 UTC
350125GO wrote:


Re-reading my post and I don't see anywhere I said it was illegal, in fact, I said if you don't like it, stop associating with people. Though I realize bigotry is a hatred of a specific group of people, and therefor your anti-French example fits, the term is generally used and understood to be hatred of a certain group of people due to race/religion/sexual orientation, etc. Jingoistic based bigotry is not what I was referring to, and your example of "Paris is burning" is neither, since the phrase is an idiom anyway, at least in English speaking countries.

Not looking at your character to see how long you been playing, but bigotry is not tolerated by CCP. There was a major incident back in 2005/2006 where a corp (or possibly alliance I don't remember which) was renamed by CCP because their name was the same as an anti-Chechen hate group that was active in the former Czech Republic. Bigotry is not illegal, but it doesn't mean we should tolerate it.


I agree!

But show your distaste for it by getting back at the player in game, not with the report button.

You didnt claim it was illegal, im just sick of hearing all the crud about how its ok to be tolorant but if you dont agree with something your a morally bad person. (Again, not from you, just venting Lol )

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Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-04-30 18:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kristalll
Carnia Astrael wrote:
Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.


Look at the bottom of the page you are currently looking at. What does it say?

I'll help:

ONLINE INTERACTIONS NOT RATED BY THE ESRB

As echoed at the ESRB's website:

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

Congratulations at being both intolerant, and uninformed.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Dsparil Mal
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2014-04-30 18:57:24 UTC
Kristalll wrote:
Carnia Astrael wrote:
Sorry to see such immaturity among the players and I am quite sad to see the decay in our society that cannot support basic courtesy. I am not quitting in disgust, i am researching the game and fear it will not have a good review. I plan to request ESRB change EVE's status to a more restricted one to protect some standards of decency. If the Mods themselves cannot see the need for this, then the entire game is indeed corrupt. Have fun. You can continue this discussion without me for I dont see any sign that any of you have any understanding of the reasons for courteous behaviour in a game.


ONLINE INTERACTIONS NOT RATED BY THE ESRB

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

Congratulations at being both intolerant, and uninformed.



By posting again, after stating that she wasn't going to post, she's broken our fragile trust. Who are we to believe anything she says now. The horrible person. I feel violated.

Erotica 1 for CSM 9!
350125GO
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2014-04-30 19:01:19 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:


I agree!

But show your distaste for it by getting back at the player in game, not with the report button.

You didnt claim it was illegal, im just sick of hearing all the crud about how its ok to be tolorant but if you dont agree with something your a morally bad person. (Again, not from you, just venting Lol )


Ok. I see where you're coming from, but racism, antisemitism, etc. should be reported. Hate speech is protected in the US, but not tolerated (there is a difference). There are many democracies that believe in free speech but don't protect hate speech (Germany, France, Holland, to name a few).

I had a similar argument with someone on Twitter. Evil can exist in Eve without hatred. This is a game after all. Eve should remain dangerous, but it doesn't have to be horrible.

You're young, you'll adjust. I'm old, I'll get used to it.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#58 - 2014-04-30 19:10:15 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:

...
4) You can contact space lawyer, Ripard Teg, and have him blog about your event, and obtain a ban for the player that hurt your feelings. Because thats what we do now.
...

+1

Just blocking the offending person from further chat requests not only takes too many brain cells for the OP, it also doesn't have the added benefit of converting his pansy tears into a ban of the offender as the Ripard Teg approach does.

Would you like to know more?
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-04-30 19:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kristalll
350125GO wrote:

Ok. I see where you're coming from, but racism, antisemitism, etc. should be reported. Hate speech is protected in the US, but not tolerated (there is a difference). There are many democracies that believe in free speech but don't protect hate speech (Germany, France, Holland, to name a few).


It's impossible to have free speech and laws against hate speech.

Freedom of Speech isn't to protect the popular speech, it's there to protect the unpopular speech.

At some point, claiming that minorities should be treated fairly could easily have been illegal under hate speech laws. In the free marketplace of ideas, even those society doesn't agree with have equal right to be represented, regardless of how bad they make some people feel.

While I would never support the idea that any race, group, or gender, are better than any other for such an arbitrary reason, I would actively be opposed to any attempt to censor someone who does.

I also recognize that, as a private company, CCP has the full right to prosecute such actions as they see fit, but I would not support it, and I thoroughly feel that it would be against CCP's goal of making a real living world out of New Eden.

TL;DR Freedom of Speech and Laws against Hate Speech are completely contradictory and can't exist together in a logical society.

“Die trying” is the proudest human thing.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-04-30 19:35:23 UTC
"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Voltaire


People need to read things like this more often.

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