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Enough is Enough: Nerf Minmatar
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Tara Read
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#541 - 2011-12-02 06:49:51 UTC
Just give my megathron a web range bonus and everything will be fineTwisted keep your rust buckets. Gallente for life!
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#542 - 2011-12-02 11:29:29 UTC
Artillery are fine as they are now

Autocannons on the other hand seem way too strong compared to both Pulse and Blasters, even after the hybrid buff I can't think of one good reason to use Blasters over a Autocannon.

Awesome damage even in falloff, no cap, can hit pretty far out, fantastic tracking, dead easy to fit and to top it off, selectable damage.

They need tweaking.

I lied :o
Hellsonfire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#543 - 2011-12-02 12:48:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellsonfire
Haha!

Damn i should have put my diver suit on, its filled with tears created by people who loose to minmatar or generally cant fly. Twisted


Nice read tho :)
Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#544 - 2011-12-02 13:30:26 UTC
I dont think they are over powered and I fly the Minmatar ships and been in fights against them.

If you want over powered I would say the Curse is, but you dont seem me coming here to cry about it. I try to figure ways round their strengths to hit them where it hurts.

The Tornado has the lowest EHP of the Tier 3 BC's and medium DPS compaired to the other Tier3's. I don't think thats over powered, I just think it gives me a challange when trying to fit it to gain from its strengths.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#545 - 2011-12-02 13:45:36 UTC
Kiran wrote:
I dont think they are over powered and I fly the Minmatar ships and been in fights against them.

If you want over powered I would say the Curse is, but you dont seem me coming here to cry about it. I try to figure ways round their strengths to hit them where it hurts.

The Tornado has the lowest EHP of the Tier 3 BC's and medium DPS compaired to the other Tier3's. I don't think thats over powered, I just think it gives me a challange when trying to fit it to gain from its strengths.

omg another matard fanboy... how many are there ?:O
Hellsonfire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#546 - 2011-12-02 13:47:21 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
Kiran wrote:
I dont think they are over powered and I fly the Minmatar ships and been in fights against them.

If you want over powered I would say the Curse is, but you dont seem me coming here to cry about it. I try to figure ways round their strengths to hit them where it hurts.

The Tornado has the lowest EHP of the Tier 3 BC's and medium DPS compaired to the other Tier3's. I don't think thats over powered, I just think it gives me a challange when trying to fit it to gain from its strengths.

omg another matard fanboy... how many are there ?:O



Enough to make a weakling like you break down ;)
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#547 - 2011-12-02 13:51:49 UTC
Hellsonfire wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:
Kiran wrote:
I dont think they are over powered and I fly the Minmatar ships and been in fights against them.

If you want over powered I would say the Curse is, but you dont seem me coming here to cry about it. I try to figure ways round their strengths to hit them where it hurts.

The Tornado has the lowest EHP of the Tier 3 BC's and medium DPS compaired to the other Tier3's. I don't think thats over powered, I just think it gives me a challange when trying to fit it to gain from its strengths.

omg another matard fanboy... how many are there ?:O



Enough to make a weakling like you break down ;)

that is hardly possible as i have the thruth:P these are just want to def their opmatar ships with lies
Hellsonfire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#548 - 2011-12-02 14:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Hellsonfire
Hardly possible....Shock me, say something intelligent..... the posts you done here are mostly signs of break down....**** it ill join ya... :D


You are nothing but a whiney little *****, who deserves a good asswopin, I'd slap you, but s-hit stains.


P.S. You cant handle the truth!!!!
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#549 - 2011-12-02 15:11:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Knight
Hellsonfire wrote:
Hardly possible....Shock me, say something intelligent..... the posts you done here are mostly signs of break down....**** it ill join ya... :D


You are nothing but a whiney little *****, who deserves a good asswopin, I'd slap you, but s-hit stains.


P.S. You cant handle the truth!!!!

tell us say something intelligent , but non of you posted anything usefull , other than oh no matar is not op and tries to compare some matar ships with heavy tanked amarr ones possibly not even in the same tier to show us amarr has like 10-15% ehp advantage :P
hehe matars you guys are so funny

the problem even if us present facts you would just ignore them ,so why to bother?
Hellsonfire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#550 - 2011-12-02 16:31:03 UTC
Damn you REALLY must be the left-overs from the abortion bucket, because you started ignoring facts first.

So why am i here? Simply just to annoy you, im not here do have a "good" discussion with you, im here to stay on your level. Lol





Btw Minmatar are balanced, and you suck. Alot...

Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#551 - 2011-12-02 16:51:07 UTC
Hellsonfire wrote:
Damn you REALLY must be the left-overs from the abortion bucket, because you started ignoring facts first.

So why am i here? Simply just to annoy you, im not here do have a "good" discussion with you, im here to stay on your level. Lol





Btw Minmatar are balanced, and you suck. Alot...


good for u, oh matar folks are so simple...

yep as balanced as those will be nerfed sooner or later :P go run some circles with them while you can
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#552 - 2011-12-02 20:05:00 UTC
Tara Read wrote:
Just give my megathron a web range bonus and everything will be fineTwisted keep your rust buckets. Gallente for life!


Me too wants that Minmatar tear extractor Lol

hmm? -yeah it's a new PI stuff.
Ceti Lomax
Encina Technologies
#553 - 2011-12-02 20:14:03 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
Two thoughts:


  • Lose the ~9% DPS increase that short range ammo got with the projectile buff. The purification of damage type was more then enough.

  • Reduce the tracking enhancer falloff bonus from 30% to 15%.


Discuss.

Odviously an Amarr spy.

Shoot the traitor.
Evil
Nikollai Tesla
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#554 - 2011-12-02 20:22:46 UTC
Saw this on the dev blog today, wanted to cross post it since its official Data from CCP looking through their database, not from a kill board. The statistics are quite interesting:

1) Projectiles are favored 600% over Hybrids
2) No Gallente ships in the top 10.

Question Minmatar, is this working as intended?


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&t=40902&f=247&q=453895

CCP Diagoras wrote:

Final blows, weapon type, 2011 only, PVP only:

Group:
Projectile Weapon 1,455,484
Energy Weapon 392,605
Hybrid Weapon 250,858
Combat Drone 221,329
Heavy Missile 203,896

Type:
425mm AutoCannon II 388,602
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 207,378
200mm AutoCannon II 163,613
150mm Light AutoCannon II 144,349
720mm Howitzer Artillery II 136,879

By ship type scoring the final blow:
Hurricane 378,864
Drake 272,204
Sabre 124,472
Dramiel 118,128
Vagabond 117,136
Cynabal 113,905
Abaddon 80,659
Tengu 79,493
Harbinger 71,286
Rifter 67,721
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#555 - 2011-12-02 20:38:17 UTC
Nikollai Tesla wrote:
Question Minmatar, is this working as intended?


Clearly, Minmatar pilots are just better players than everyone else Blink
Lili Lu
#556 - 2011-12-02 20:55:47 UTC
Oh hey, final blows, from a weapons system known for a high rate of fire (and thus chances to get on that final blow) and ships that typically use them.

The stats on evesco with ships used on killmails tell you more about what ships are being flown.

Then from there we can talk about what is op and what not based on other parameters. To simply point to that one block of stats on final blows and scream op is dumb.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#557 - 2011-12-02 20:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Nikollai Tesla wrote:

1) Projectiles are favored 600% over Hybrids
2) No Gallente ships in the top 10.


Hey, I think you may have missed some recent dev blogs. Start with this one: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3012 . The tl;dr is that Hybrids just now got boosted - it would be mindbogglingly ******** to suggest they would perform well historically.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#558 - 2011-12-02 21:08:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
Lili Lu wrote:
Oh hey, final blows, from a weapons system known for a high rate of fire (and thus chances to get on that final blow) and ships that typically use them.


The dev who equated higher rate of fire to more killing blows is wrong. At least, attributing this large of a discrepancy to only higher rate of fire is wrong.

If you were to test different weapon systems with equal dps and different rates of fire against targets randomly varying amounts of hitpoints (HP equaling 20 to 1000 sec of dps or so), they would all end up with the same percentage of killing blows given enough test runs. In practice, there may be a slight advantage to higher rate of fire due to pods or ships that tend to get one volleyed, but it would never be this large of a difference.
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#559 - 2011-12-02 22:15:07 UTC
Mimmy are fine as is. No need to screw with them.

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Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#560 - 2011-12-02 22:26:42 UTC
Xpaulusx wrote:
Mimmy are fine as is. No need to screw with them.

you fly them we get it