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mechform
#21 - 2014-04-30 15:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: mechform
RcTamiya Leontis wrote:
calaretu wrote:
If you are bored farming sleepers just swap the lokis and archons for guardians and daredevils. I promise a evening of excitement :D



doesn't fix c1-c4 risk vs reward problems

doesn't add new content or improve excisting

does make fun to roam around, i agree :P

-> doesn't solve problems


Agreed, please post your most popular farming times and the hole in which to deliver content. I'm sure the community would love to increase the 'risk' factor while you farm.

Black Power - Brotha's in space unite!
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
#22 - 2014-04-30 16:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: HTC NecoSino
Pretty sure I posted a thread a year or ago about something similar (although it was for c7/8s) the thread brought up roaming sleepers, attacking POS's, POCOs, etc. that were detected in their home system.

People liked that idea more than introducing C7/8 or capital sleeper ships (which I still like)

founded it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=277229
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#23 - 2014-04-30 18:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: RcTamiya Leontis
mechform wrote:
RcTamiya Leontis wrote:
calaretu wrote:
If you are bored farming sleepers just swap the lokis and archons for guardians and daredevils. I promise a evening of excitement :D



doesn't fix c1-c4 risk vs reward problems

doesn't add new content or improve excisting

does make fun to roam around, i agree :P

-> doesn't solve problems


Agreed, please post your most popular farming times and the hole in which to deliver content. I'm sure the community would love to increase the 'risk' factor while you farm.



J160321 and we hadn't a single ano/data/relic/gas site the last 6 days :P

however we aint farming, i am sorry ;)

Our " content" is the same as yours is : chainroll looking for pew / (earn isk with incursions)

But thanks for your offer ;)
mechform
#24 - 2014-04-30 18:06:37 UTC
Wait so your worried about risk vs reward in farming c4 and you don't even farm?

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RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#25 - 2014-04-30 21:37:10 UTC
mechform wrote:
Wait so your worried about risk vs reward in farming c4 and you don't even farm?



Yes & No , we don't farm we only run our rarely spawning sites inside our C4 ;)

But we used to live in a c2 so knowing about the situation there i wanta buff for those risk vs reward stuff mentionng here, that this may increase the amount of pilots in wspace in those classes, which automaticly leads to more pvp ;)

Also i am not worried, i am fine with 100mil/6 minutes but that's still nothing compared to c5 :P however the risk, if well setup, is not that big compared to a sieged/triaged capital in a c5/6 site


What i am "worried" about is the content ;)
mechform
#26 - 2014-04-30 22:25:29 UTC  |  Edited by: mechform
RcTamiya Leontis wrote:
we don't farm we only run our rarely spawning sites inside our C4 ;)



Yes, hydra does the same across multiple wh classes.

Sleepers are already one of the most difficult PVE in the game for people starting out no matter what class the WH. I don't think making a sleeper change will drive any more content if it gets more difficult. I think the idea of spawning capital sleepers in higher class wh's is a fun idea.

By no means am i proposing making things easier. Maybe sleepers spawing by the WH stabilizers would mimic K-space a little more, but the whole point of wh is to be different than k-space. Attacking pos's and structures is where the player comes in, and not for npc's

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-04-30 22:59:47 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Yeah guys, k-space has never evolved so why should WH space? Roll

right, cos kspace rats are so must more fun and exciting to farm for isk....

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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#28 - 2014-04-30 23:05:36 UTC
I dont oppose the idea of roaming sleepers in a WH. In fact, I think it'd be cool if they could get to you in your safe spots as well.

Maybe even introduce a new type of "escalation" of sorts. Nothing crazy like an actual anomaly with capital escalations or stuff like that, but maybe say you get pointed by a frigate and cruicer, and as you engage either, moar cruicers arrive, like 2 or 3, then a BS, then another, and that's it, call it good.

I would make it a random "roam" timer though. As in, you could get jumped, kill them and not see another patrol until the next downtime, or you could get several in a row. To prevent massive farming, I wouldn't expect to see more than 5 cruicers and/or battleships in any combination.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
RcTamiya Leontis
Magister Mortalis.
#29 - 2014-05-01 23:10:41 UTC
Erufen Rito wrote:
I dont oppose the idea of roaming sleepers in a WH. In fact, I think it'd be cool if they could get to you in your safe spots as well.

Maybe even introduce a new type of "escalation" of sorts. Nothing crazy like an actual anomaly with capital escalations or stuff like that, but maybe say you get pointed by a frigate and cruicer, and as you engage either, moar cruicers arrive, like 2 or 3, then a BS, then another, and that's it, call it good.

I would make it a random "roam" timer though. As in, you could get jumped, kill them and not see another patrol until the next downtime, or you could get several in a row. To prevent massive farming, I wouldn't expect to see more than 5 cruicers and/or battleships in any combination.




If they remove offline POSes too i fully agree on that :D
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-05-02 14:27:32 UTC
Our corp frequently roam c3s in small t1 low sp fleets. they are tough enough. Yes I can solo them in a t3 but most new players dklo not have access to t3s and t2 gun bcs. Working as intended afaik. They are loving the 4-5 man roams plus learning logi and fleet maneuvers. Faflrming is not supposed to be hard
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-05-02 15:55:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
^ Any other irrelevant information you wish to share? Perhaps you can start be explaining where you have got the impression that wormhole sites were intended to be farmed... Big smile Really though i don't think your comment has anything to do with what is being discussed.

On another note, who says these roaming sleeper need to drop loot at all?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
AssassinationsdoneWrong
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#32 - 2014-05-02 16:48:14 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
Our corp frequently roam c3s in small t1 low sp fleets. they are tough enough. Yes I can solo them in a t3 but most new players dklo not have access to t3s and t2 gun bcs. Working as intended afaik. They are loving the 4-5 man roams plus learning logi and fleet maneuvers. Faflrming is not supposed to be hard


Farming in Neg 1.0 space was never intended to be hard??

If you can scan hard enough you can always find high sec.

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Nightingale Actault
Borderland Dynamics
#33 - 2014-05-02 17:42:28 UTC
Daerrol wrote:
Our corp frequently roam c3s in small t1 low sp fleets. they are tough enough. Yes I can solo them in a t3 but most new players dklo not have access to t3s and t2 gun bcs. Working as intended afaik. They are loving the 4-5 man roams plus learning logi and fleet maneuvers. Faflrming is not supposed to be hard


Part of the problem with talking about revamping sleepers is that newer groups like this may lose out on the ability to run the sites so easily. Less people running the sites means less targets for the older groups of players whose gameplay revolves around hunting targets like these. Discussing the impact that a sleeper revamp could have on these newer groups is very relevant to the discussion at hand.

As sleepers are currently, that a C3 can provide income for a more experienced pilot flying solo and also be run by newer players (albeit with a group of pilots) weighed against the risk of running sites in WHs, they actually seem fairly well balanced. The drop in ribbon prices and thus overall isk/hr possible is my only worry to the current design (for low end, read C1-C3, WH space).
Traba Regina
Serene Vendetta
#34 - 2014-05-03 02:14:37 UTC
i seriously like the idea of npc's trying to bump us out of WH space! as long as they keep coming and escalate the eviction!

on the other hand pizza anyone?

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