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What teams are in what systems is public knowledge. You don't know if or how much they're being used.

I don't think it's meant to be a personal thing.
I think to get the good teams players are going to have to work together, and spread the cost to bring good teams to a system. People can and will leech ( PVP ) but moving a production line is not to be undertaken lightly. The only way to easily hop around to leech will be to load up individual job(s) ( all the blueprints and materials ) into freighter(s) and just do selected jobs at the target leech location.
Which means lots of juicy freighters moving around carrying fat lewts :)
Goes back to risk versus rewards and potentially provides more inter player game play even if that means you exploding and someone else getting rich.

Don't think of it as "you" winning a bid for a team - think of it as being part of the "team" in your system working together to win a job team and all of you sharing the benefit. Now there will be leechers, but then this is a PVP game........

Sigh....

You guys at CCP really don't get it, do you.

What industrialists want, in real life or otherwise:

1. Cost certainty
2. Minimized risk for return (both in capital investment and getting shot at)
3. Minimizing non-productive time (you know, like what you are supposedly addressing with the UI changes)

In all 3 areas, you have managed to create the exact opposite.

Cost certainty is absolutely impossible with all these changes.
Risk of capital because of #1 just shot through the roof, and that does not even begin to deal with the real chances of getting shot at all the high choke systems that exist in the game.
And as for minimizing non-productive time, well, just like bad industrialists think that minerals they mine are free, you guys at CCP must think that all the time is free that is involved in guessing the profitability of a job, and then hauling materials, blueprints, finished products, and now, ultimately POS's, all over the universe.

A dynamic landscape for industrialists, expecting them to pull up stakes every now and then and move operations is one of the most stupid things to ever come out of CCP. Of course, given that the null sec cartels can establish and strictly control who builds, what they build, and when they build at every single null sec station under their control, this whole industry overhaul works perfectly for them. Gee, it is almost like they handed you the whole industrial blueprint and said "Here, implement this."

You seriously think this all these changes actually make industry MORE enjoyable for players?
You guys are so far out in left field, you can't even see home plate.

Invention details PLEASE. Does the ME bonus apply to invention jobs? Does it reduce datacores required or does it boost the ME output of the copy?

Invention teams are coming later in a point release, so we haven't nailed down how they will work. They might work similar (or even replace) decryptors.

Actually I disagree here, I think the drive should be towards co-op play delivering good benefits, but also highly skilled individuals should still be able to attain equal benefits through more time and effort spent. I also believe that having interests in hi, lo, null, and WH space should benefit a player nore than one area gradually gaining all the advantages to coerce player movement to that region

This ^^
Adding intelligence to the spreadsheet means people who can think for themselves will make more ISK.

I'm afraid I lost the post but someone made a good point in that the winning bidder should be able to access the team at base cost. This seems fair, but with bids piling up I would suggest the highest bidder among the system take the cake - Although then you might have to make a system to determine who's bidding what in what system, which has its own potential problems. To solve this you could make the "base" labor/build cost available to anyone who contributed at least a certain % of the pot (i.e. 5%). This would prevent people from "0.01isking" in order to get access to the lower (lower) build cost, but without contributing anything.



Of course, it remains to be seen how, if at all, players will need to be incentivized regarding bidding on teams. Personally I plan on bidding on day 1, but I have no idea how my price point compares to others - and would rather not share that information.

Well, I can see a new way to grief:

You go to your enemy systems and start biding for the teams. With that the overall cost of manufacturing of your enemies keeps going higher and making harder to be competitive or even wining the bid and not leaving any available for the local dwellers.

Also, what is not explained is the logic and how this will be done for nullsec. As you will have from t1 small ships to supercapitals production. not forgetting gas, modules, etc.

Fixing the UI is great but screwing the entire production process and making it a lot more expensive will raise prices of all manufactured items, with or without "teams".

Will also be a show stopper for beginners as it will be very complex. If you don't have an experienced bud in the game you most probably will never go into that industrialist.

Dinsdale, I am personally going to make sure this is the update that turns Jita into a Goonswarm outlet store. Sleep well, little cretin, sleep well.