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This is why you're a horrible industrialist

I'm very concerned over the fact that we're about to see a x7 research time increase for certain items.

I did the numbers (baseline unskilled) for some of them and based on the rank 60 battleship BPO (e.g. Dominix) we're going from

~ 42 days for ME 10, to:
~306 days for ME 10%

That seems very harsh. I don't mind an increase, but a factor of 7 seems unwarranted.

I would ask that you revise your numbers so that the new times aren't quite so brutal. Perhaps lower ranks or a shorter baseline. 5d for perfect ME for ammo BPOs also seems kind of high. So 10 days total for perfect ME and TE under the new system for something where you might have dozens and dozens of ammo BPOs for all the different types. Expand that to modules and ships and industrialists won't have enough variety to address market fluctuations in demand and supply.

“This has the advantage of everyone's blueprints staying the same or getting better, but the drawback that people with blueprints researched to really high levels will find that, while their blueprints are still generally getting better (i.e., will be actually perfect rather than just a reasonable approximation thereof), other blueprints which were less-well researched will have caught up with them.”

I suppose the desire to make everybody’s blueprints either stay the same or improve in the transition makes PR sense (Cool! No nerfs and lots of free efficiency upgrades. Players will approve.). Still, this approach does reward the modest researchers more than the heavy researchers.

Many modest researchers seem to be telling heavy researchers, “Heavy research was always stupid. Now it’s doubly stupid. Hah! Sucks to be you.”

Many heavy researchers, while disputing initial stupidity, are disturbed that they are now sitting on “over researched” blueprints and requesting refunds of some sort.

Presuming CCP doesn’t want to pick winners and losers via transition, at least a couple of changes have been suggested.

1) 100 ME levels instead of 10. This reduces the modest researcher transition benefit from sizable up to nearly 10% improvements to modest 1% improvements.

2) Instead of transitioning old ME levels to new ME levels, apply the (extrapolated) research time invested in a blueprint across the transition. Some blueprints may still end up being “over researched” but this will happen less often. Other (many?) blueprints may end up with lower post transition ME levels.

A few general thoughts on this:

a) It puzzles me that CCP would prefer to pick winners and losers in the transition to save ME levels rather than choosing to nerf everybody’s blueprints equally by transitioning time researched instead. It’s not a disaster to discover that a post transition blueprint is no longer as optimal as one would like. Just toss it back in the research bin.

b) It puzzles me that CCP is willing to choose winners and losers in order to cut down to a 10 level ME system rather than cutting down to a 100 ME level system from the previous “difficult to understand without wrapping your head around some reasonably non-trivial math” system. 100 isn’t that complex (most of the world measures with the metric system and everybody is familiar with percentages).

c) If CCP pursues avenues to mitigate generating winners and losers like those just explored, it will puzzle me when the (now rare) owners of “over researched” blueprints continue to demand refunds. You can’t please everybody.

0 to 10.

People need to stop trying to meta this into a way to recoup their losses on months or years of over research.

If you have a cap component ME500 BPO, regardless of what you can sell BPC's for you would have made far more over all selling ME34 BPCs the whole time you were doing the following 466 ME levels regardless of the pitiful price difference you were able to scam out of people due to either them nor you or both understanding how ME reduction has worked previously.

I'd wager a lot of the people posting about this issue are realising their mistakes and crying, seeing this as an opportunity CCP will give them something for their folly. Just stop it, grow up and move on.

yes

Yes, because we all know that the goons are holier than thouh when it comes to exploiting game mechanics. Also you should read the entire thread, earlier Weasilor stated that he had spent the whole day looking for viable T2 BPOs but couldn't get hold of any. ;)

Ok after running a few examples myself, I think that the curve of progression is to steep.

I would think it is better to increase the time to train from ME 1 - 5 (which is currently higher), and then reduce the time to get from ME 6 - 10 (which is currently MUCH lower).

Remember that ccp is changing progression from a linear time cost and diminishing return to a escalating time cost and linear return. Had they applied the time costs from the current maximum costs and used a formulaic diminishing of time cost going from 10 - 0 they may have seen less overall unwanted growth in the maximum cost.

The problem is players who already have a rank 60 BPO for example at ME 10, will have spent only 25% of the time for players after this change to get the same results. This would be alleviated quite a bit by introducing a 100 level system instead of 10.

So Greyscale, you need to tell me if this 100 level system is coming or not so that if not I can exploit this as much as possible by getting lots of ME 10 BPOs. ;)

I'm sure that is what goons are probably doing right now.