Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They already are. If you don't know how or why do some research before making idiotic comments.

isotopes are basically " the gasoline" of eve online; this change will drive the prices up;
and, like in real life, (yea, i know, but it's about economy here) when the gasoline prices goes up, who will get affected really bad? the medium/low classes; the rich don' t really care and the oil producers ...

The other angle to this is that it combats cap proliferation by pricing out poorer players and making caps a more substantial investment.

Before you go on about how it's your right to have a cap lets look at the situation.

Serious sov battles in 0.0 (Notice: SOV) have become about who has the most caps and supers to the point where subcaps are irrelevant, except for HICS and DICs, and prehaps a few support ships. The Slowcat carrier doctrine, even post drone assist, is still a monumental force. It can take on subcap forces many times larger than it's own to the point where sub-caps are almost ineffective, the only counter is other capitals and supers. A newbie in a rifter was once a force to be reckoned with, now he's a none factor in a sov battle. What we are approaching is the end game, where it's all about caps. It used to be Hellcats, drakes, alpha fleets, thundercats and other doctrines, were you could 'counter' an enemy fleet with a different concept, be it sig tanking, sniping, out tanking, alpha. All that is now becoming more irrelevant in serious Sov 0.0 battles and the arms race is getting more advanced in other fights, we are seeing T3s become the main subcap fleet doctrines for all 0.0 powers. The end game of eve gets nearer everyday as we continue our trudge towards inevitable cap ownership. The next big war we will see (likely N3/ PL v. Goons + pets) is going to highlight this fact more than ever before as fights depend on breaking the ever increasing, easily replaceable, caps being fielded.

Whilst this change to fuel consumption will have negative impacts there is no way around it, caps must be neutered, the consequences of inaction is a nerf to the PvP that makes EVE so great and enjoyable. Does increasing Jump costs neuter them? Yes, i'd say it goes a way towards it, but it doesn't do enough. Caps and supers should be expensive, it's a frickin' capital ship with 1000's of crew members with the best mobility, defence and offence in the game (not including JFs and Rorqs of course). That comes at a price and the price just went up.

Yes, prices will go up this patch, the formulas are changing, it's going to be more expensive for T2, but that's going to affect everyone equally, i can live with that, i can live with inflation and getting less bang for my buck. I have no sympathy for the people who want to jump stuff 2 times to sell it in hi-sec, it's a buff and a niche for shallow 0.0 with it's poor ratting. Deep 0.0 gets officer spawns and AFK ratting, we get to do cheaper indy. Don't like it? Get your renter overlords to get you a new system closer to hi-sec.

This patch is going to open up lots of opportunity's if people can just see past the 'i pay more/ i get nerfed' view. Can't have it your way all the time.

Well said. No one likes a nerf but CCP is balancing a video game and when something is too cheap or easy, it should probably be adjusted.

This. Attempting to fix a non-existent problem.

If anything needs fixing it is ease of power projection for alliances with limitless isk renting out half of nullsec. But until you can think of a way of fixing that without making logistics even more of a nightmare than it already is or nerfing BlackOps, then just leave it alone.

If you need something useful to do you could start with fixing the bloody overview so that it remembers each tab's sort order, and giving us a keyboard shortcut for 'orbit at current'.

Also make capital ships have an daily upkeep cost (like magic the gathering cards). A new item "capital maintenance parts" that can by manufactured by industrialists.

dont forget this is gonna affect prices of null and low sec commodities. meaning anything you can only find in null or low will go up rather sharply in price because the cost to move it is going to go up sharply. therefore itll end up increasing anything that needs for example moon goo to be built. be ready for a mass inflation of prices.

This is the real reason why.

Bloobs are using Archon fleets.
Lets assume that r64 moon is owned right now by a bloob.
Let it be close, very close to staging point , only 1 midpoint , around 30 LY so all carriers at lvl V calibration can jump.

Currently amarr isotopes is expensive , but it will be more so lets assume 1.5k per isotope.

Lets think about smaller fleet just 100 archons that have to make this trip.
This will give us 20,500 isotopes in only one way after this change - so this will be around 4.100.000 isotopes for this whole fleet to be moved in both directions.

Simple math : 4.100.000 * 1.500 = 6.150.000.000 per trip to save one r64 tower.

This is way more than this tower will earn you in month , and locals can ref it again day after.

This is what all big blobs are terrified that all their income will be consumed by fuel costs.

If this change will be connected to direct pos jump bridge changes , and increase in cost of titan bridges then all smaller alliances , lowsec people will be able to take poses that are in area where they are living.

Big coalitions will have rethink what is realy worth to defend - when they spend 8bil a month to defend pos that will give them 2-3bil of income per month.

I dont have or want to have a pos.
Yes smaller aliances also will be affected , but i proposed a bit ealier that ronquals and JF should be excluded from this change.
At the same time i suggested that supercapitals should burn way more than 50% MORE fuel.

Normal player don't deploy 60LY away every day to save something - big bloobs have to.

Way I read it the volume of the isotopes gets smaller. so you will be able to hold more in your various cargo holds.