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Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#61 - 2014-04-30 00:17:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
Arista Shahni wrote:
Does anyone read anymore?

Let's see.

PYRE sets up an arangement with TS-F.

PYRE's new alliance sets up a similar arrangement.

I'm cuious, really, very curious. And this isn't sarcasm - but an honest confusion.

Why would PYRE's CEO be mad?

... Really?

It reems more like a long term plan to me, come to sweet fruition, for whatever ends.

For the top intelligence quotient to become capsuleer capabale, I would hope people could at least sling insults after fact-checking what is VERY old news.. or even READ.. "You mad" sounds like capsuleers so capsule-bound with CDD they can not tell reality from fantasy and yell "your mom" at every opportunity in local -- and mean it.

Every day I am reminded as to part of why I moved to the "most dangerous" part of null. My faith defends me, the Amarr Militia working with said group is painfully low on priests and priestesss due to the black and white knee-jerk prejudices against those flying under a certain flag but are still Chosen who need Divine guidance, and the other people here need help.

Despite how it may change other opinions of myself and in this dark and distance space there a dangerous level of Capsuleer disasociaton that cries out for treatment. and I have been very busy with such work. The Lord guides me, not the opinions of my peers. Not the prejudices of the cluster. Not the need to feel accepted by the very mortal parts of my Empire and Kingdom. I am here because I am needed here. A seprim guarding a Saint is pointless, as the saying goes. The true work is for those who can save the souls of those who sin.

But the more of this drooling nonsense I read from so called geniuses and enlightened ones, perhaps I should have never left Empire.

But, well, you're lucky. After all, you always have Vaari.

P.S. This post will not be read, because people are too blind to read something with a CONDI tag on it because "Arr Arr BAD!".

However, the Lord knows my work, and this is all that truly matters, not a CONCORD label.

By the Lord's light - don't any of you understand what is going on?

For the most part, this can be summed up in a simple answer, Doctor. The only people who care about Pyre now, are Pyre and their associates. If you expect the universe to take the IGS, or anyone in it, seriously at every occasion, you've missed the point, I fear. A lot of people are just here for entertainment, and the trite "rar, edgy" attitude of most of Pyre is a laugh riot more often than not.

Still, no real ill will on my end. I'm entertained, and hey... If they find something that works for them, I say go for it and best of luck. It's a good, solid progression of what they started. A lot of people think them fools for walking that road... I don't have an opinion there, and can't be bothered to form one over something that has no effect on me, my work, or anything related. I just have fun with it, when the mood strikes me, much the same as they've claimed to do in the past. Anyone who doesn't want return fire shouldn't be shooting to start with.

On a more serious note, I would call them complete idiots if they DIDN'T see it through after the fact, which really is what this is. Seeing it through.

As an aside, good on PIE for enforcing a bit of professionalism. I'd been wondering if Rabbit had run this by the brass beforehand.
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2014-04-30 05:26:01 UTC
Agiri Falken wrote:
The only people who care about Pyre now, are Pyre and their associates.


I'm afraid if this were the case, this entire thread would not exist.

"Care" hs a broad definition -- even if it is "caring" to cause someone else some discomfort.

As this is fairly impossible to do to PYRE, and has lead instead to the speaker themsleves suffering..

.. well, it speaks for itself, really.

All in all, as they say, a popcorn situation, and only one corportation is laughing and enjoying the movie, hm?

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#63 - 2014-04-30 06:41:33 UTC
Arista Shahni wrote:
Agiri Falken wrote:
The only people who care about Pyre now, are Pyre and their associates.


I'm afraid if this were the case, this entire thread would not exist.

"Care" hs a broad definition -- even if it is "caring" to cause someone else some discomfort.

As this is fairly impossible to do to PYRE, and has lead instead to the speaker themsleves suffering..

.. well, it speaks for itself, really.

All in all, as they say, a popcorn situation, and only one corportation is laughing and enjoying the movie, hm?

If you say so. I do take your point on the definition of "care". Replace it with "nobody with anything better to do takes it seriously", and it's a better fit. As for the "movie" analogy, I suppose it's all in the perspective... I'm nothing but entertained here by this bumbling blockbuster. Big smile

We've got the Edgy Black Ops Corp
We've got Not So Subtle Subtlety
We've got the Dark and Cold CEO
We've got the Sarcastic Tough Chick
We've got the Emotional Appealer with a Brain
We've got the Selective Viewpoint Supporter
We've got Drama, Angst, Tears, and Divergence
We've got the Ongoing Scandal
We've got Sansha

It's a damned feature length film, complete with every trope in the book, and right there for viewing.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-04-30 07:11:23 UTC
Agiri Falken wrote:
If you say so. I do take your point on the definition of "care". Replace it with "nobody with anything better to do takes it seriously", and it's a better fit. As for the "movie" analogy, I suppose it's all in the perspective... I'm nothing but entertained here by this bumbling blockbuster. Big smile

We've got the Edgy Black Ops Corp
We've got Not So Subtle Subtlety
We've got the Dark and Cold CEO
We've got the Sarcastic Tough Chick
We've got the Emotional Appealer with a Brain
We've got the Selective Viewpoint Supporter
We've got Drama, Angst, Tears, and Divergence
We've got the Ongoing Scandal
We've got Sansha

It's a damned feature length film, complete with every trope in the book, and right there for viewing.

WHY CAN'T I LIKE THIS POST MORE THAN ONCE

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#65 - 2014-04-30 07:43:06 UTC
Love you too, Andy. Lol
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#66 - 2014-04-30 11:06:18 UTC
Agiri Falken wrote:

We've got the Edgy Black Ops Corp
We've got Not So Subtle Subtlety
We've got the Dark and Cold CEO
We've got the Sarcastic Tough Chick
We've got the Emotional Appealer with a Brain
We've got the Selective Viewpoint Supporter
We've got Drama, Angst, Tears, and Divergence
We've got the Ongoing Scandal
We've got Sansha

It's a damned feature length film, complete with every trope in the book, and right there for viewing.


Wait, are you talking about your own clique of parrots?

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#67 - 2014-04-30 11:30:06 UTC
Agiri Falken wrote:
Arista Shahni wrote:
Does anyone read anymore?

Let's see.

PYRE sets up an arangement with TS-F.

PYRE's new alliance sets up a similar arrangement.

I'm cuious, really, very curious. And this isn't sarcasm - but an honest confusion.

Why would PYRE's CEO be mad?

... Really?

It reems more like a long term plan to me, come to sweet fruition, for whatever ends.

For the top intelligence quotient to become capsuleer capabale, I would hope people could at least sling insults after fact-checking what is VERY old news.. or even READ.. "You mad" sounds like capsuleers so capsule-bound with CDD they can not tell reality from fantasy and yell "your mom" at every opportunity in local -- and mean it.

Every day I am reminded as to part of why I moved to the "most dangerous" part of null. My faith defends me, the Amarr Militia working with said group is painfully low on priests and priestesss due to the black and white knee-jerk prejudices against those flying under a certain flag but are still Chosen who need Divine guidance, and the other people here need help.

Despite how it may change other opinions of myself and in this dark and distance space there a dangerous level of Capsuleer disasociaton that cries out for treatment. and I have been very busy with such work. The Lord guides me, not the opinions of my peers. Not the prejudices of the cluster. Not the need to feel accepted by the very mortal parts of my Empire and Kingdom. I am here because I am needed here. A seprim guarding a Saint is pointless, as the saying goes. The true work is for those who can save the souls of those who sin.

But the more of this drooling nonsense I read from so called geniuses and enlightened ones, perhaps I should have never left Empire.

But, well, you're lucky. After all, you always have Vaari.

P.S. This post will not be read, because people are too blind to read something with a CONDI tag on it because "Arr Arr BAD!".

However, the Lord knows my work, and this is all that truly matters, not a CONCORD label.

By the Lord's light - don't any of you understand what is going on?

For the most part, this can be summed up in a simple answer, Doctor. The only people who care about Pyre now, are Pyre and their associates. If you expect the universe to take the IGS, or anyone in it, seriously at every occasion, you've missed the point, I fear. A lot of people are just here for entertainment, and the trite "rar, edgy" attitude of most of Pyre is a laugh riot more often than not.

Still, no real ill will on my end. I'm entertained, and hey... If they find something that works for them, I say go for it and best of luck. It's a good, solid progression of what they started. A lot of people think them fools for walking that road... I don't have an opinion there, and can't be bothered to form one over something that has no effect on me, my work, or anything related. I just have fun with it, when the mood strikes me, much the same as they've claimed to do in the past. Anyone who doesn't want return fire shouldn't be shooting to start with.

On a more serious note, I would call them complete idiots if they DIDN'T see it through after the fact, which really is what this is. Seeing it through.

As an aside, good on PIE for enforcing a bit of professionalism. I'd been wondering if Rabbit had run this by the brass beforehand.


It is a very common tactic (and I have seen it used more than once) that when one cannot stop a particular group or person through force, nor undermine their integrity (personal or otherwise, for whatever reason), that the next most common step in the attack is to try to claim that said person or group is irrelevant and doesn't matter.

That has a lot more weight when you don't spend most of your active posting time focused on said irrelevant group, or if you DO have the force necessary to do something and don't. The weak do not have the ability to declare irrelevancy.

This is the nature of Power.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-04-30 11:46:51 UTC
I was almost approving of Ms. Falken's effort. A solid attempt at being dismissive by attempting to associate public theatre with what I believe is implied to be "cliche" tropes. Average operational adjectives and underlying negative connotations combined with wrapping up the entire jab in a neat non-confrontational, passive-aggressive jab in response to Ms. Shahni.

Ah, but all my excitement fell apart like a lightly microwaved cucumber as soon as they resorted to seeking to endorse their point with that nebulous catch-all of, "Most people" agree with them. I really couldn't believe their jaded cynicism anymore once they felt the need to conjure some fictitious moral support, because as they say, "Most people" will really support anything so long as you say so.

Double thumbs up for the effort, though, dear. Maybe next time you will meet my approval, Ms. Falken.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#69 - 2014-04-30 11:53:38 UTC
Microwaved cucumbers fall apart?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#70 - 2014-04-30 11:58:06 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Microwaved cucumbers fall apart?


I tried to defrost one once... just don't, take my word for it, don't. At least not with a microwave.

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#71 - 2014-04-30 11:58:45 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Microwaved cucumbers fall apart?

Hell if I know. Sounds legitimate, though.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#72 - 2014-04-30 12:00:02 UTC
Most people agree that they do indeed fall apart.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#73 - 2014-04-30 12:00:56 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Most people agree that they do indeed fall apart.


Glad we established that, carry on thread, carry on.

Agiri Falken
Akagi Initiative
#74 - 2014-04-30 13:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Agiri Falken
Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:
Agiri Falken wrote:
Arista Shahni wrote:
Her stuff - for brevity's sake.
My stuff - again, brevity's sake.


It is a very common tactic (and I have seen it used more than once) that when one cannot stop a particular group or person through force, nor undermine their integrity (personal or otherwise, for whatever reason), that the next most common step in the attack is to try to claim that said person or group is irrelevant and doesn't matter.

That has a lot more weight when you don't spend most of your active posting time focused on said irrelevant group, or if you DO have the force necessary to do something and don't. The weak do not have the ability to declare irrelevancy.

This is the nature of Power.

Carrying on Msr. Madullier!...

And yet a few words from me, 'irrelevant' never having been one of them, can get you all here in short order. Big smile Funny how that works, eh Tibs? There's far more effective "attacks" than egging more out of the IGS for the hell of it, but the result rarely is as fun to watch (kinda like a massive, slow motion wreck, really).

The fact of the matter is, 'irrelevant' is your word, highlighted for clarity. Twice. I simply stated nobody really cares beyond entertainment. There isn't any question as to the relevancy in my mind, else it just wouldn't be here... So come now, you can do better than flawed reasoning (based on an assumption of intent that's debunked by the very quote you used) and trying to put words in my mouth. You're a smart guy.

In my experience, power doesn't need to defend itself, be defended, or need to be capitalized to be noticed. It just is. Much in the same way a Slaver doesn't have to prove it's dangerous, it just becomes a fact of life the moment it rears it's head.

And yet, as is completely consistent with any time Power (capital P. Not the first time I've seen it given Prominence in Pronunciation), is mentioned, we come down to the Part that just continues to Perplex me regarding this concept (as opposed to Plain old 'power')... That all it takes for Power to feel a need to try and assert itself, without direction, goal, or any real effect, is some hot air to be blown about that may be construed as a challenge (if you try hard).

Please, tell me more about the nature of that, Tibbles! I'd love to know how Power and power relate to my drawing entertainment from the antics of your buddies! ...It'll have to be a bedtime story though. I need some rack. And I fully expect to see Power and Co. fill up another Page in answer to the 'attacks' of the 'weak' before I come back and Poke for more comedy gold to fill the minutes of inactivity in my day! See ya! Lol
Anslo
Scope Works
#75 - 2014-04-30 13:08:02 UTC
Agiri called em out for what they are, and like magic, they come to fill the roles they were given.

Agiri how do you do it!

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Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2014-04-30 14:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
Excuse me.. am I being referred to as a troll? This is new to me, but considering the blanket predjuice assigned to the banner that is currently flying over my head, I suppose I should not be surprised. WIDOT does have a reputation to uphold.

Quote:
I simply stated nobody really cares beyond entertainment.


This is a projection. At least be honest and say that you do not care beyond entertainment. After all, I could have simply made popcorn because I was hungry.

Quote:
In my experience, power doesn't need to defend itself, be defended, or need to be capitalized to be noticed. It just is. Much in the same way a Slaver doesn't have to prove it's dangerous, it just becomes a fact of life the moment it rears it's head.


History proves this untrue, unless you are only familiar with a world filled with cowards functioning on gut feeling and "he said she said this person is strong" rumors, witnessing someone holding their head up a little higher when you are observing them as they have a drink. In fact it is a common practice for Capsuleers to force each other into exersizes of 'power expression'. What you are noticing when power is not being expressed is a reputation. A reputation is merely a shadow without a tree to cast it, and like most shadows, can be dispersed with a modicum of effort and a flashlight.

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That all it takes for Power to feel a need to try and assert itself, without direction, goal, or any real effect, is some hot air to be blown about that may be construed as a challenge (if you try hard).


True. And despite how you may giggle behind your hand, I suspect you do not realize that by even participating in this conversation, you have described this definition of power perfectly with your very own actions as you attempt to display your own power here by dismissing this entire topic as a joke that you seem to think only you get to laugh at.

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I'd love to know how Power and power relate to my drawing entertainment from the antics of your buddies!


I am not Mr. Thesasalonia's "buddy", but I hope I was able to explain exactly how you are using your own personal power to draw personal entertainment from the public slander of the Imperial Militia - something that flies in the face if all Imperial protocol. Or was that original topic forgotten?

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Bryen Verrisai
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2014-04-30 15:18:06 UTC
Arista Shahni wrote:
the public slander of the Imperial Militia

Perhaps the word is defined differently in the Empire, but I'm fairly certain that in order for something to be slander it has to be false.

The issue at hand does not appear to be that I.LAW is being accused of doing something they haven't; they're just being accused of something they don't care about doing and that everyone knows about already.
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2014-04-30 15:34:22 UTC
Bryen Verrisai wrote:
Arista Shahni wrote:
the public slander of the Imperial Militia

Perhaps the word is defined differently in the Empire, but I'm fairly certain that in order for something to be slander it has to be false.

The issue at hand does not appear to be that I.LAW is being accused of doing something they haven't; they're just being accused of something they don't care about doing and that everyone knows about already.


For those familiar with this Galnet site who are aware their alliance is being monitored, it is not uncommon for alliance-mails to be sent out with incorect data.

Also in Amarrian dialect slander includes the term defamation - which includes the inference of 'unjustified'.

This matter being spilled into the public eye is a circumvention of Imperial justice, and is therefore an 'unjustfied' act.

I hope this helps.




"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#79 - 2014-04-30 16:18:54 UTC
Personally, I think it's great. I mean, in the beginning I got the feeling that the outrage directed against my fellow pilots was based on our real or supposed acts, based on moral objection or not entirely illegitimate concerns. But the more this little charade progresses the more it becomes evident that all the outrage spawned without me or my associates doing as much as raising a hand seems to merely serve the purpose to cultivate personal emnities.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Anslo
Scope Works
#80 - 2014-04-30 16:23:01 UTC
Desiderya wrote:
Personally, I think it's great. I mean, in the beginning I got the feeling that the outrage directed against my fellow pilots was based on our real or supposed acts, based on moral objection or not entirely illegitimate concerns. But the more this little charade progresses the more it becomes evident that all the outrage spawned without me or my associates doing as much as raising a hand seems to merely serve the purpose to cultivate personal emnities.


Not really. You all just talk too much.

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