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How does your corp, alliance, and members make isk?

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MrOogie Boogie
Oogie Boogie Inc
#1 - 2014-04-29 17:56:05 UTC
Yes I am posting as an alt, i'd prefer not to attract attention to my smallish WH corp. But I had a question

So I have been doing wh's off and on since the start.

I usually do a pot based system, i.e. all gas, salvage, blue loot, ore, pi, etc goes into a pot, and everything is made into t3 stuff and/or is sold and divide among everyone who contributed. I have also done a modification of this, where as the blue loot is sold and divided among the people who ran an op and the rest goes into a pot. The latter worked great when i was first in wormholes, and the former works good on a small scale.

But I am thinking of possibly expanding in the future. So I was curious how larger, more experiences corps (and alliances) make iskies in wormholes, both for the corp to fund fuel, and for the members. So if you all don't mind sharing, it might help me out. I have an idea, but i'd like to compare it to others.
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#2 - 2014-04-29 18:09:28 UTC
Not sure, but I seem to recall it being mentioned in one of the guides in the stickes. Island Among the Stars.

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MrOogie Boogie
Oogie Boogie Inc
#3 - 2014-04-29 18:19:54 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
Not sure, but I seem to recall it being mentioned in one of the guides in the stickes. Island Among the Stars.


i'll take a look there, but practical experience would help too
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-04-29 18:31:11 UTC
MrOogie Boogie wrote:
Yes I am posting as an alt, i'd prefer not to attract attention to my smallish WH corp. But I had a question


Ah don't be afraid. We are a smallish WH corp and me being a prolific forum troll hasn't gotten us evicted...yet.


I have tried to keep things as simple as possible. For the corp I created a "dues" system. I take all the corp costs (fuel, corp ships/assets and replacement fund) and divide that monthly cost by the number of people in the corp (actual toons not players). that is each members monthly "dues".

I did it this way as I am not trying to make the corp coffers bloated, but there are minimum monthly costs that need to be accounted for. I have also found it clears out dead weight. At the same time the amount is low enough even a largely AFK player can make enough to cover it plus make some iskies for themselves.

The corp also makes a small amount off the POCO taxes.

For site running I use the "Jack can method" After some site running, all loot is put in a can. Can is named with the members involved. When the loot is sold it is split equally between those players.
mechform
#5 - 2014-04-29 18:48:45 UTC
MrOogie Boogie wrote:
Yes I am posting as an alt, i'd prefer not to attract attention to my smallish WH corp


Scary the wh forums are, tread with care.

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#6 - 2014-04-29 20:48:59 UTC
Also smallish.

If you find the right hole, PI can be beneficial. I have a corpmate that makes decent money running a couple of alts.
Gas harvesting, especially useful in your statics.
Running sites? Of course.
We had a couple of guys that liked to mine, but they didn't stay active that long. Guess mining wasn't that interesting. They made decent money.

Probably not profitable? PVP... at least for us.
HTC NecoSino
Suddenly Carebears
#7 - 2014-04-29 20:58:03 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Ah don't be afraid. We are a smallish WH corp and me being a prolific forum troll hasn't gotten us evicted...yet.

For the corp I created a "dues" system.

The corp also makes a small amount off the POCO taxes.

For site running I use the "Jack can method"


That's exactly how my old C5>C3 corp ran and we were all fairly happy. Kept most everybody happy. 0% Tax the PI though, and roll in the cost of the POCOs for 3 months of dues or something.

Pretty sure a couple higher-ups did line their pockets well, but we were all having fun, had isk and didn't mind Blink
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#8 - 2014-04-29 21:10:24 UTC
For one, 0% tax on PI is pretty vital in wormholes.

That aside, depends on size and location of your group. In c5/c6, it doesn't really make sense to bother with anything besides capital escalations and shooting c320-clouds. Radars are nice aswell, but they're a solo-thing.

If you live in non-capital space, shooting sleepers should still be the fastest way to accumulate ISK. Rules like *all oruze-loot goes to corp* can make for massive income and allow you to run programs like *free vexors in corp hangars* or *free POSfuel for Jxxxyyy*.

Wouldn't throw all PI etc. into one pot and divide evenly, such a move kills ambition among your memberbase.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-04-29 21:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
I mostly run WHs
Occasionally I get Blue Fire to run an expo for me and they steal their 10 bil orca.
you know, the usual *shrug*

(if youre main income is PI, i feel bad for you)

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Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-04-29 22:07:00 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:

Occasionally I get Blue Fire to run an expo for me and they steal their 10 bil orca.


AW SNAP
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#11 - 2014-04-29 22:15:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rall Mekin
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Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#12 - 2014-04-29 22:16:14 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:

Occasionally I get Blue Fire to run an expo for me and they steal their 10 bil orca.


AW SNAP


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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#13 - 2014-04-29 22:28:54 UTC
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Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#14 - 2014-04-29 22:55:28 UTC
Lately, our corp is poor. Our members are poor (by WH standards at least) but that's mainly down to people logging in all month and cwtching for pew instead of sleepers. That's cyclical though, like everything relating to Eve/WH life.

Most months, we rat the static. This keeps corpies in T3s with a spreadsheet subbing for your jack can method. Means it's easier to work out the maths, requires lots less clicking when you're selling loot, and deals nicely with the problem of people running different numbers of anoms per ratting 'session'.

10% tax on sleeper loot keeps things relatively egalitarian and allows us to take on and support newbros despite their lack of contribution isk-wise.

What that doesn't do is pay for all the POS fuel. Hole invasions, the odd orca catch, WH or exit sale - or rarely now, ransom - supplements the corp wallet well enough but most directors have reached into their own pockets to keep things running.

Like the idea of 'dues' and it seems more and more common but surely too discriminatory for most lower-class groups with wider recruitment standards?

Some interesting points/ideas in this thread though. Hope the discussion continues, as it's not as simple as directing everyone to the VOLTA page and copying corp financial arrangements by rote in J-space.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#15 - 2014-04-30 00:56:01 UTC
I guess there's a divide between player ISK and Corp ISK. When I ran BUGRY, we had the 10% sleeper loot tax in place and 10% corp and POCO tax of 5%. This worked out well enough that corp got fleeced for 6 billion by a Director, which isn't much, but it's enough to keep the POSes running.

However, tracking the income, POCO tax made up about 40% of the ISK on most weeks, because you'd only every so often have a real binge of ratting sleepers. Sleeper loot made up most of the rest, and missions tax <10%. This depends if you get your corp blacklisted from incursions by a mass target painting effort to fix sec status and have the incursion bear FC's wetting themselves in fear of Vigils.

Some other corps I've been in, they were making more money off incursion tax than anything else.

Some corps have hisec POCOs earning a bit of ISK, and I'm actually surprised that more hisec POCOs don't flip from time to time. I personally wouldn't suggest it as a way of subsidising the corp wallet in a serious fashion unless you like hisec "PVP". But you could get lucky and bag a good planet with a few dedicated PI alts living in system that give you 5M ISK per day.

However, the majority of ISK that used to be made was from PVP. Corp policy was that non-shiny loot went to corp and got sold. When your corp is killing 100-200 ships a month in PVP, corp earns probably 500-2,000M ISK from pew pew.

So, get out there and pew pew. If you suck, at least someone else's corp is going to be making money from your wrecks!
Senn Denroth
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#16 - 2014-04-30 01:24:14 UTC
Yea, run an expo and get 10b

Don't spend it all in one place, etc


Also, people don't like alts posting in WH forums. It would have been far better posting on your main, and endearing. How are you going to step up in WH space later on down the track if nobody knows you?
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#17 - 2014-04-30 03:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
I'm already in a hole, currently thinking of rebuilding my old corp (this is oogies main) and making it a full on WH corp/alliance. I ask because i want to be sure my corp can earn some iskies to feed pos.

The pot method is working for now. but when i grow idk. i'm thinking of just having the corp buy everything (blue loot, salvage, gas, ore, etc) at -10 to 15% jita. Then either making t3 stuff and selling ti for more profit or selling it hole to recoup the tax. I think this might be fair for members, as if they want they can scan and haul the crap out themselves, but in the long run they would make more iskies as then i could do a SRP/PVP incentive program.

I just kinda wanted ideas, the dues system might work, but i'm wondering if anyone has done what i am thinking.

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Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#18 - 2014-04-30 05:12:57 UTC
A Fee or Due system is a nice way. It does keep track of active persons and so you find yourself doing some HR and are also having your pos's fueled.

Keep a Mission sheet per mission you do and keep a fair share for all (everybody happy ;))
+ keep a fair share of the pvp loot included
You can ofcourse set a certain rule or tax to cover a special branche
Keep a fair percentage of the free PI the guy's are having. I'm finding 5% not much imo.
But let all gas, ore and PI for them who want it. You might find some interesting who like to do stuff with it and who knows, corpies might get stuff cheaper then what's the market offering.

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Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-04-30 05:31:54 UTC
We keep it real simple.

0% tax and everyone is responsible for their living arrangements (ie fueling their large POS)

2 cap escalations from our 2 main timezones are donated per week to fund all our ventures and fuel the communal tower

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#20 - 2014-04-30 07:50:51 UTC
LOL SOCIALISM IN THE WORKS ITT

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