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Jai Di
Elite Expeditions
#1 - 2011-12-02 11:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jai Di
So I am currently solo'ing in a Manticore which I appreciate isn't the ideal situation, but is the only bomber I can use at the moment, but I've read up a lot on people successfully solo'ing in everything but a Manticore and wanted to try it out.

I was wondering, what would people would suggest as the best fit to maximise alpha strike on the most diverse range of targets?

(I would post EFT, but can't from work)

My current thoughts on a setup:

High
3x Arblest Siege Launchers - Caldari Navy Juggernaut
1x Covert Ops Cloaking Device

Mid
1x Passive Targeter
3x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Low
2x Ballistic Control System II

Rigs
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Off the top of my head this get's 4000~ alpha without taking the target painting into consideration.

I was thinking of 3 painters to take out smaller targets, but I'm not sure of the actual impact of them. I was also considering a sensor dampener with scan resolution script instead of a passive targeter so I could recloak before bigger ships could lock and engage drones?

Any suggestions would be appreciated, I've not used bombers enough to know the ins and outs of them. I just want to be able to take people out if they aren't paying attention, I'm not looking for a god-fit. Also, I'd rather not use deadspace / officer mods.

Also if I'm going the wrong way for this, please let me know and, if possible, a fit for better survivability.

Thanks.
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#2 - 2011-12-02 11:37:14 UTC
well, one thing is.. you can't really solo anything if you don't have a warp disruptor. Also, drones are going to be a problem without a tank - if you get locked once.

[Manticore, T2]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
1MN Afterburner II

Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I /OFFLINE

Small Bay Loading Accelerator II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I

I use this along with a pilgrim for tackle btw. with crash in the hold for cruisers using CN torps
Jai Di
Elite Expeditions
#3 - 2011-12-02 11:50:51 UTC
Yeah, I do currently use a disruptor II, but I was wondering if firing a volley then cloaking is worth doing, or if I should just solo in the normal manner, but with the added surprise at the beginning?
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2011-12-02 12:02:24 UTC
it's possible but lame. it'll take a non-sebo'ed 3x damped maelstrom around 37 seconds to lock you. You have a 12 secs recloak timer, but mind when you cloak, your target will have the option to warp a way if he's aligned (which he should).
Jai Di
Elite Expeditions
#5 - 2011-12-02 12:10:26 UTC
You make a good point. Any idea how effective the 3 target painters would be against cruisers / industrials?

In most cases then, is it worth using:

High
3x Siege Launcher II + Juggernaut Rage
1x Cover Ops Cloaking Device II

Mid
1x Afterburner II (or MWD?)
2x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
1x Warp Disruptor II

Low
1x Ballistic Control System II
1x Co-Processor II

Rigs
1x Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
1x Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

I can just make that fit work (minimal CPU left over) not entirely sure how much difference the MWD will be, but the cap will be dead nearly immediately.

However, the DPS is still 500~ (above was 560~) and the alpha is still in the 4000's, it just means my sig is up using the Rage torpedoes (just under 50m I think, so not a great deal).

Thanks for the comments so far though.
dethleffs
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2011-12-02 12:28:35 UTC
2 target painters will let you hit a standard shield hurricane for full damage with CN torps. with cruisers you won't do full damage. Use rage with 1 or two painters on battleships and larger.
Nice thing about the manticore is the mix of EW. 1 painter and a damp with range scipt makes you untargetable to 43 km if youre target is a podla drake for instance.

Still, i'm not really a solo guy, so i wouldn't engage a lone ratting battleship in a flimsy bomber. Don't have the patience either :) Look up some of Mark hadden's solo bomer movies in the myEVE channel :)
Jai Di
Elite Expeditions
#7 - 2011-12-02 12:35:39 UTC
A battleship with drones is probably not going to be the best target for me, but if I can take down cruisers / battlecruisers with minimal drones then that should be enough as at least I can pick my targets thanks to the cloak.

Well it's put me on the right path anyway, so thanks for your help :)

I shall look up those videos when I get home.

Thanks again.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-12-02 13:24:10 UTC
Solo PvP Manticore -

[Manticore, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Target Painter II
Warp Disruptor II
1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II

'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
125mm Gatling AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I

No Worries
Jai Di
Elite Expeditions
#9 - 2011-12-02 13:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jai Di
Hmm, intriguing.

Any alternative to the 125mm autogun? I don't have specialisation, would named T1 be enough?

Also, is the sig increase anything to worry about?