Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You can have both; in the Summer expansion we're supposed to get passive low-slot omnis. Without seeing the stats, dropping the 4th and possibly 3rd drone damage amplifier seems like a non-brainer.

I believe they mirror TE's if I recall correctly, though I'm not sure I'd drop a 3rd DDA for one. And their would be no 4th DDA to begin with for anyone really looking to use missiles enough to drop an omni for a TP since such a fit would have at least 3 BCU's I'd imagine.

The third DDA only gives you 57% or +13.11% damage. I'm assuming that the Faction DDAs will be at least +2.5-3% more damage each (considering the lowest Officer Unit D-34343 is 26.5%), so a pair of Faction DDAs will essentially negate half the loss for freeing up a low slot. Similarly, depending on launcher selection - you'll be further ahead with a Warhead Catalyst than a third BCU for rapid heavy launchers. Getting a passive +40% falloff, +20% optimal and +20% tracking speed for the loss of maybe 5% drone and missile damage seems like a good tradeoff - especially as it allows an extra 2-3 mids for tank.

I have to admit that I was initially excited about the changes to the Rattlesnake, but I think there's potentially a better missile-based Pirate Mordu ship lurking just around the corner...

All that means is that the loss when considering faction DDA's is slightly greater. It's not a matter of 3 T2 DDA's or 2 Faction, but rather if someone is fitting faction it's 3 vs 2 and thus the whole difference of 57% of the mod once stacking is accounted for.
For RHML, still not seeing it. Assuming Calefaction Catalyst you use most of your calibration for a T2 to actually get some benefit over even a T2 BCU or you get a T1 which has the same benefit but without the ROF help to compress your damage dealing before reload.

Either way I don't see myself dropping damage and downgrading an omni for a TP, but it's going to of course come down to personal preference and area of use.

But once they do exists their current lack of existence becomes irrelevant. The bar moves to 3 faction DDA's vs 2 rather than 3 T2 DDA's vs 2 faction.

How so? I can see them heavily favoring damage bonuses, but if you can have both, why not?

I get the mechanics and how they affect the launcher, but what you stated explains how the RHML marginalizes ROF bonuses, but not quite how it's penalized by them. Over time the fact that you are depleting sooner and thus resuming fire after reload sooner still increases DPS, but in the least useable way. Thus back to the example, a T2 BCU vs a Calefaction catalyst rig:

T1 Rig - Same Damage boost but without the ROF boost. Again, I'm in no way disagreeing that the difference is marginal in performance, and the gains situational, but it's there and I'd rather have it than not.

T2 Rig - Objectively superior to a T2 BCU for RHML, but takes quite a bit of calibration, leaving your remaining rigging options limited.

And going either way means you are still losing out on raw effectiveness of a mid slot omni alongside the ability to be scripted to fit that TP. I'm just not liking the trade at first glance, though depending on where the damage balance is I suppose it could be worth it to de-emphasize the drone side with a particular fit.

I have to agree with Arthur on this one. Rapid Heavies or Rapid Lights are probably the way to go on this one.

Although I was considering using 1 faction DTE. Possibly toss in a DCU depending on the performance of a faction compared to a T2.

I'm on the fence with rapid lights. For PvE I think it makes sense to just utilize rapid heavy launchers. If you're running a medium-range setup you can always run rigors and flares to get almost the same damage application as rapid light launchers, with more damage, a faster rate of fire and greater ammunition capacity. I prefer the hydraulic rigs - not necessarily to extend the range (always a bonus) - but to reduce lost volleys since there's such a high rate of fire. It's actually a riot to run FoFs in the rapid heavy launchers.

relevant:

Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm


Any chance this balance pass can include making the spikes bigger on the Nightmare?

So, correct me if I'm wrong in these assertions - I can't tell (lack of sleep/too much work!)

>It's a missile only sheet
>>Therefore drone DPS isnt present in the times to kill etc. By extension the same can be said of TFI

Assuming the above to be true and with the following assumptions (which I know to be not 100% accurate but I believe "close enough" for engineering)
>Drones DPS is broadly the same as missile DPS
>Missile RoF is 50% of drone RoF i.e. one missile launch to two drone activations.


Those being accurate/close enough would you say the following is reasonable - please keep in mind I'm tired and this might be off.

>>If a single cruise volley will pop a target then so will a pair of drone volleys. I.e. in 8 seconds cruise will pop a target and a drone would pop a target
>>This says to me that I can kill two "one shot" targets per 8 second window, rather than one.
>>Cases where shots to kill > 1, the drones can pile in and drop it nicely - likely to be per target basis as the more shots to kill, the bigger the gains you'll get from drones.


Assuming that to be accurate [enough], I don't think it is as crappy as the numbers of missiles alone suggest. High maintenance/micromanagement and really high skill bar, certainly - but there appears to be approximate capability to kill two small(er) boats for the other ships one (or one and a bit with the TFI, being the only other one out there with appreciable drones).

I have rattlesnakes laying about, I might test it when it goes live (assuming no changes).

Tl;dr: If it one shots with cruises it is logical that in the same RoF period drones pop another target this giving it a very serious kill rate indeed. Caveats apply.