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How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#81 - 2014-04-29 19:36:02 UTC
As they have entirely different development teams I dont understand what if any impact DUST has on the development of EvE

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#82 - 2014-04-29 20:09:27 UTC
From behind, with a black bag and a leather sap.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2014-04-29 20:49:53 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Its a shame the overwhelming tone on the forums is of disappointment and cynicism about the future.

personally
- i don't do industry: what do you want from me regarding new 'expansion'?
- i don't care about 0.0: whatever new structures CCP provides they won't change my game in a bit
- i don't do exploration since 'loot spew' and minigames. Whatever CCP can do for exploration will not affect me (unless they revert all changes to it)
- i like drones and what did CCP do to them? Improved NPC AI.... Nerfed Omnis, then they nerfed Omnis again (cycle time). They can't fix interface and instead of it looks like they will reduce amount of drones. I always loved idea of hordes of drones and what now? 1-2 pityful drones? Why not make the same to guns? 1 gun ship anyone?

So if you ask me i don't wait anything good from summers expansion. Yes, there are people who will enjoy it. There are people who will hate it. And there will be people like me who will just download 1-2 Gigabyte patch and find nothing for them in it.

Add here new bugs (and we know how CCP QA dep works).

And you still want people to be excited?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#84 - 2014-04-29 21:01:11 UTC
Le CCP spots industrial players from across the room.

Le CCP takes many many drinks of liquid courage.

Le CCP staggers up to Industrialists, and in the voice of Joe Quimby says "Hey baby, wanna have your own expansion?"

Le Industrialist rages in Le CCP's face RABBLE RABBLE BLARG BLARG BLARG NERF NERF BLARG SP REIMBURSMENT BLARG RABBLE.

Le Industrialist hands Le CCP more money anyways and goes home with him.


That's pretty much how CCP will approach the next expansion.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#85 - 2014-04-29 21:22:24 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Its a shame the overwhelming tone on the forums is of disappointment and cynicism about the future.

personally
- i don't do industry: what do you want from me regarding new 'expansion'?
- i don't care about 0.0: whatever new structures CCP provides they won't change my game in a bit
- i don't do exploration since 'loot spew' and minigames. Whatever CCP can do for exploration will not affect me (unless they revert all changes to it)
- i like drones and what did CCP do to them? Improved NPC AI.... Nerfed Omnis, then they nerfed Omnis again (cycle time). They can't fix interface and instead of it looks like they will reduce amount of drones. I always loved idea of hordes of drones and what now? 1-2 pityful drones? Why not make the same to guns? 1 gun ship anyone?

So if you ask me i don't wait anything good from summers expansion. Yes, there are people who will enjoy it. There are people who will hate it. And there will be people like me who will just download 1-2 Gigabyte patch and find nothing for them in it.

Add here new bugs (and we know how CCP QA dep works).

And you still want people to be excited?


I will note, loot spew is suppose to be removed this expansion

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

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Gostina Mishina
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2014-04-29 22:06:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Gostina Mishina
DaReaper wrote:
EVE doesn't need a huge game changer, it needs to be repaired so its running at optimal performance, then they can add new stuff...

We are rapidly approaching the middle of the year 2014. The game we have right now is the result of a decade of repair, and more or less by definition *is* running at optimal performance.

As to whether a game-changer is needed, CCP disagrees with you, and I pretty much agree with them. I'm just dismayed that I don't see it happening yet. Perhaps the ditching of the mini-game and mobile stuff does represent more potential focus on "fixing," but bugs aren't why the subscription rate is flat.
Sato Page
Auctor Illuminatas Infinitum
#87 - 2014-04-29 23:18:28 UTC
1. Make everything more expensive so hopefully people will have to buy more PLEX from CCP.

2. Fix just enough bugs so people would not rage quit.

Dinsdale Pirannha for [u]CEO [/u]of [u]CCP[/u]

Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2014-04-30 00:01:06 UTC
Maybe its nothing, but the streamlining and tweaking numbers for the sake of streamlining , tweaking numbers and making things accessible seems a bit odd to me, once you go too far in removing niches, the only result is that noone, instead of just those disliking a particular niche, is happy.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#89 - 2014-04-30 01:57:03 UTC
Gostina Mishina wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
EVE doesn't need a huge game changer, it needs to be repaired so its running at optimal performance, then they can add new stuff...

We are rapidly approaching the middle of the year 2014. The game we have right now is the result of a decade of repair, and more or less by definition *is* running at optimal performance.

As to whether a game-changer is needed, CCP disagrees with you, and I pretty much agree with them. I'm just dismayed that I don't see it happening yet. Perhaps the ditching of the mini-game and mobile stuff does represent more potential focus on "fixing," but bugs aren't why the subscription rate is flat.


I do not know what game you think you are playing, but as someone who has been in eve since near the begining, i can tell you that you honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I can list, off the top of my head fifteen things that are, by most peoples standard, broken or unfinshed. The current fixing is only in year 2 and just Started. WiS came out summer of 11, the summer of rage right after, oracal, which was the start of the 180 was winter 11. Then you had crucible in 12, another expantion i can not for the life of me name in 12, odyssy in 13 (start Of the 5 year plan) rubicon,and now the unnamed expation. Not everything has
has been addressed, and here is my list:

PoS`
SOVEREIGNTY
PI
MINING
MOON GOO
INDUSTRY
HIGH VS NULL
TECH 3
CAP SHIPS
WiS
Dust interlink

Ok 11 off the top of my head. All need to be relooked at, before being abbandoned for the next big thing. CCP is on year 2 of a5 year plan. My hope is alot of repairs and a slow buildup. Then drop something awesome. I would rather wait a bit more, then get a half assed unfinshed new feature that takes 10 years to looked at aand fixed

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#90 - 2014-04-30 02:28:53 UTC
DaReaper wrote:

PoS`
SOVEREIGNTY
PI
MINING
MOON GOO
INDUSTRY
HIGH VS NULL
TECH 3
CAP SHIPS
WiS
Dust interlink


Some of those like SOV, POS, and High vs Null could be revamped into a game changer. However CCP is way to passive to do anything drastic to achieve that, and instead just do little fixes at a time which achieve nothing.

Doing another Apocrypha style expansion in both size and scope is what Eve needs imo, but I'm doubtful in CCPs ability to deliver.

They need to bring back T0rfi as LGD, he can handle a demotion Blink.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#91 - 2014-04-30 03:19:08 UTC
i think they need to revive TomB from whatever the heck he is doing with ccp

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#92 - 2014-04-30 07:08:17 UTC
Kellin Bauer wrote:
How do you think CCP is approaching the next expansion?


Obvious that they've taken a step back to the roots - D&D: the feature components have been picked by 20d rolls and start values by d100's. It was odd that jump devices received a d4 attack recently.

Unfortunately, the CSM appears to also have been attacked with either a dumbfinication or a bedazzler spell, having obviously picked up their marbles and left the room without comment.



Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#93 - 2014-05-01 15:13:20 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Gostina Mishina wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
EVE doesn't need a huge game changer, it needs to be repaired so its running at optimal performance, then they can add new stuff...

We are rapidly approaching the middle of the year 2014. The game we have right now is the result of a decade of repair, and more or less by definition *is* running at optimal performance.

As to whether a game-changer is needed, CCP disagrees with you, and I pretty much agree with them. I'm just dismayed that I don't see it happening yet. Perhaps the ditching of the mini-game and mobile stuff does represent more potential focus on "fixing," but bugs aren't why the subscription rate is flat.


I do not know what game you think you are playing, but as someone who has been in eve since near the begining, i can tell you that you honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I can list, off the top of my head fifteen things that are, by most peoples standard, broken or unfinshed. The current fixing is only in year 2 and just Started. WiS came out summer of 11, the summer of rage right after, oracal, which was the start of the 180 was winter 11. Then you had crucible in 12, another expantion i can not for the life of me name in 12, odyssy in 13 (start Of the 5 year plan) rubicon,and now the unnamed expation. Not everything has
has been addressed, and here is my list:

PoS`
SOVEREIGNTY
PI
MINING
MOON GOO
INDUSTRY
HIGH VS NULL
TECH 3
CAP SHIPS
WiS
Dust interlink

Ok 11 off the top of my head. All need to be relooked at, before being abbandoned for the next big thing. CCP is on year 2 of a5 year plan. My hope is alot of repairs and a slow buildup. Then drop something awesome. I would rather wait a bit more, then get a half assed unfinshed new feature that takes 10 years to looked at aand fixed


You've got a lot more patience with CCP than I have waiting for them to run a hamster wheel of old features for the next 5 years before they deliver anything new.

I've seen first hand then botch up iteration (FW vet here - is it not on your list coz you saw them iterate and thought it was fine now?) after years of waiting.

Iterating old features is necessary and all , but new content is what gets players excited and logging in (or back in) to play. Wormholes was the last new major content update, and even that is looking tired. The game's always had tonnes of potential, just now I have wisened up to realising in my gaming lifetime Eve is unlikely to ever fulfill that potential.

Pity.
Pine Marten
Doomheim
#94 - 2014-05-02 00:54:57 UTC
This summers expansion should not be an expansion but a patch like the OLD CCP would have done before spending millions on other projects that in turn get closed down.

I have no hope for this expansion because it will change a few drone mechanics and some UI changes.

My renewal depends on this expansion. Other games are coming out real soon that will draw alot of people to them. I am actually looking forward to playing H1Z1 myself.

So to answer the OP question, I think their approach is bad. From what I have read, absolutely nothing interests me in the expansion. If they somehow surprise us with player-made gates and new regions to explore and a change to sov, Then I will continue to give them money.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#95 - 2014-05-02 01:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Vyktor Abyss wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Gostina Mishina wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
EVE doesn't need a huge game changer, it needs to be repaired so its running at optimal performance, then they can add new stuff...

We are rapidly approaching the middle of the year 2014. The game we have right now is the result of a decade of repair, and more or less by definition *is* running at optimal performance.

As to whether a game-changer is needed, CCP disagrees with you, and I pretty much agree with them. I'm just dismayed that I don't see it happening yet. Perhaps the ditching of the mini-game and mobile stuff does represent more potential focus on "fixing," but bugs aren't why the subscription rate is flat.


I do not know what game you think you are playing, but as someone who has been in eve since near the begining, i can tell you that you honestly have no idea what you are talking about. I can list, off the top of my head fifteen things that are, by most peoples standard, broken or unfinshed. The current fixing is only in year 2 and just Started. WiS came out summer of 11, the summer of rage right after, oracal, which was the start of the 180 was winter 11. Then you had crucible in 12, another expantion i can not for the life of me name in 12, odyssy in 13 (start Of the 5 year plan) rubicon,and now the unnamed expation. Not everything has
has been addressed, and here is my list:

PoS`
SOVEREIGNTY
PI
MINING
MOON GOO
INDUSTRY
HIGH VS NULL
TECH 3
CAP SHIPS
WiS
Dust interlink

Ok 11 off the top of my head. All need to be relooked at, before being abbandoned for the next big thing. CCP is on year 2 of a5 year plan. My hope is alot of repairs and a slow buildup. Then drop something awesome. I would rather wait a bit more, then get a half assed unfinshed new feature that takes 10 years to looked at aand fixed


You've got a lot more patience with CCP than I have waiting for them to run a hamster wheel of old features for the next 5 years before they deliver anything new.

I've seen first hand then botch up iteration (FW vet here - is it not on your list coz you saw them iterate and thought it was fine now?) after years of waiting.

Iterating old features is necessary and all , but new content is what gets players excited and logging in (or back in) to play. Wormholes was the last new major content update, and even that is looking tired. The game's always had tonnes of potential, just now I have wisened up to realising in my gaming lifetime Eve is unlikely to ever fulfill that potential.

Pity.



1) *After being here fir 10 years I kinda learned to take the good with the bad. And personally speaking, i think then taking the time to FINALLY fix stuff, is good. They are giving us small little things, some people may not like this, but i can stil log in right now and play eve just fine without something new. And what i do in eve is the insane crap, you know, running a corp, mining, managing 30 pos' that cry everyday (god that sucked before fuel blocks, thank you CCP!) etc. It has taught me that small things can make a huge improvement on my game life, more so then a blotched new feature.

2) yea as i said off the top of my head, and i thought i actually added FW when i wrote that list, my bad.

3) my guess tbh, is that we will get tid bits to excite us this year, last year was laying the ground work, Rubicon was the start of what is to come. I suspect we will get more info. But i would rather have snippets then 'guys we are doing thos grand thing, look how.. whats that? oh we cna do 1/2.. no 1/4.. oh no just one thing... ok well this one cool thing" Id rather be told EXACTLY what is coming, not some hair brained idea that gets changed 50 times before we get it.

Unfortunately i'm a ccp fan boy, i have no interest in any other mmo's as eve has ruined me lol

*edit: made an assumption that i corrected

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#96 - 2014-05-02 01:07:20 UTC
Pine Marten wrote:
This summers expansion should not be an expansion but a patch like the OLD CCP would have done before spending millions on other projects that in turn get closed down.

I have no hope for this expansion because it will change a few drone mechanics and some UI changes.

My renewal depends on this expansion. Other games are coming out real soon that will draw alot of people to them. I am actually looking forward to playing H1Z1 myself.

So to answer the OP question, I think their approach is bad. From what I have read, absolutely nothing interests me in the expansion. If they somehow surprise us with player-made gates and new regions to explore and a change to sov, Then I will continue to give them money.



I will just add this, you have not gotten everythign that is coming yet. The coudl be adding more, or it could be this is it. but meh

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#97 - 2014-05-02 01:15:43 UTC
It's hard to leave a comfortable niche. I don't expect anything ground breaking, or even engaging. They'll stay where they are until they can't anymore... Then they've got a lot of decisions to make. That day may be sooner, rather than later. Time will tell.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#98 - 2014-05-02 01:16:32 UTC
Pine Marten wrote:

So to answer the OP question, I think their approach is bad. From what I have read, absolutely nothing interests me in the expansion. If they somehow surprise us with player-made gates and new regions to explore and a change to sov, Then I will continue to give them money.

See, I'd regard player made gates & new regions as a bad expansion right now. Because from my angle all they would add would be more places for the CFC to control and exploit for income.
I would much rather far more content & variable content be added in the existing systems so that there is a lot more to do or interact with per system.

On the whole I think their method is working ok at this point, but I do wonder about their sense of balance when they make claims like 'we aren't intending to change balance' in Dev blogs while giving something a 20% change.
Chinwe Rhei
Syn Interstellar
#99 - 2014-05-02 01:20:33 UTC
Sandbox:
Throw a bunch of interesting content and mechanics in and see what the players make of it. Cut off things that threatens to take over the game but live everything else in. Throw them a curveball every one in a while to keep things interesting. Your job is to make the sand not the castles.

Themepark:
Carefully design how all of your content is used and what role it should play in the game. Try and control economy and income for everyone. Meticulously tune everything for "balance" because you have set the game's goals not the players.

There's so much hypocrisy in EvE really.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#100 - 2014-05-02 01:30:57 UTC
'Balance' is called ensuring things have relevance and aren't wasted code & database space.
If something doesn't get used, it's a waste of resources for any system.
Therefore it is in the systems benefit to get used.

In a real sandbox you don't leave all the unused toys sitting in it and the sand someone pooped in. You take it all out and replace it with good clean sand that can be built with & toys that will get used. If a toy is broken you fix it so they can use it how the toy was intended.