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The current plan for Antimater Reactors (small example):
Current Research: ME 1 is perfect
New Research: ME (or renamed equivalent) 1 is perfect

If you only need a little research rounding will make things work nicely for you again.

One of the aspects I enjoyed most about T2 production was that it required genuine study. It is one facet of gameplay, in terms of market dynamics, that rewards those who study the market in mathmatical terms. The relationship between T2 product, T2 parts, Moon goos etc is a much more fascinating element of industry than simple T1 production, which has much less room for game play genius.

The T2 process has been what has kept me engaged in Eve. While you won't find me trying to explain this to friends and family, I've spent 100's of hours writing analytical programs around T2 production and even used the output for upper end math course requirements. And, I'm not really a math guy either.

But all of this is to say, math as it pertains T2 market production rewards a playstyle that isn't traditional PVP for those of us who plae compared to others in terms of PVP skills and computer hardware. "Idiot's Guides to T2" production do not really exist because one has to be able to discern the dynamic game play that exists between T2 production cycles and market dynamics. In part, because of the sophisticated math, T2 production isn't subject ot the same flattening effects of game dynamics readily seen in other MMOs because of the math itself (at least in part).

There is an historical basis for this observation because you can trace all the way back to the first MUDs like Richard Bartle's "British Legends" to see that puzzles or other intellectual studies in a game become easy to publish beyond the intent of the game design. We see this with mission reports in Eve and so simplying the math basic is a game spoiler, or risks being a game spoiler. Of course, this is, in part, an argument from some notion of systems justification theory - my hard work and effort to this point loses its competitive edge. It is a loss of game resource, again potentially.

The reason I mention this that other CCP attempts to adjust or balance game play have been mediocre when it comes to balancing T1/ T2 - such as the introduction of additional compoenents to offset the politics of 0.0 moon goos, or these convoluted BPOs that list material requirements in different sections now.

Does this mean the proposed changes will be the same? Maybe not. But the CCP historical track record is dubious, sometimes *great* sometimes mediocre - and what is the commitment to keeping T2 production at the forefront of development goals?

Admittedly obscure, the T2 market place is accessible to those who want to study it and because of this reward for genuine critical thinking, it motivates repeat game play and subscription renewals for at least me.

And, are you really saying you're going to remove remote building from stations into local system POSes? The post seems rather sneaky in that alarming statement. The trade off in game play will be that I spend much more busy time flying around vs figuring out BPO math. Does that make sense? How do you not see that as a game demotivtaor? It's a new form of busy work with no reward. T2 invention has enough busy work as it is.

Consider adding in the ability to batch manage jobs or stack builds better over time, or to see who is hogging up production slots in a station for weeks at a time. Any of those meet the spirit of hyper capitalism.

As far as I know (from the metagame) T2 BPO's take forever to research and it is better to just build of them,

but with the soon to be released new Blueprint research they will be moved to a ten-step system.

At what Rank will CCP put T2 BPO's ?

I agree. I am hoping that CCP does not touch invention too much, as it is the one area were things are currently working very nicely (not considering the effects of T2 BPOs), with the complexity which is necessary to make you have to use your mind to work out the best production chains. I really hope they will not dumb it down in the next science iteration.

So the copy time will be based off of the production time. Is the production time the TE 0 from the BPO or is the copy time scaled to match the TE level of the BPO being copied? The later would be preferable so that the copying of expensive BPO's to make BPC's for use in POS's does not get bogged down by the copy time.

I agree simple == better all other things being equal. The problem is that all other things are not equal.

I talked about earlier how massive a 1% bonus is in industry and how rounding up to the nearest 1% just isnt acceptable. A 100 level system just makes far more sense, and I believe it will ameliorate the hostile attitude toward this change.

giving people up to 0.9% efficiency for free just seems terrible to me as does normalizing everyone who has researched their BPOs to > ME 20

Im also going to state that I believe the old system is far better from a gameplay standpoint as nobody was ever "done" researching their BPO, it could always get just a little bit better (at least > cruiser BPOs)

I seriously feel shafted with this change. I have years of research invested in specific collections of BPO's that have become quite valuable. Now they will be little more value than someone who has spent much less time in the process of training. My competitive advantage when building certain items is likely to disappear.

I understand a simpler approach, but would indicate that T2 and T3 products are already very complicated to build and likely keep new users from getting involved without dealing with the training of the BPO's.

Seriously, you are breaking mechanisms that have been around and built on for years simply to make the process simpler. How about focusing on a few new features/ships/capabilities and leave the processes we know and base our industry on alone.

From the blog:



If ya'all are wiling to provide compensation (of some kind) for manafacturing BPO's that have been researched "for a really long time" then please keep in mind that some of us own Compression BPO's -- that we have spent a fair amount of time researching TE for -- that could use a bit of that same said compensation as well. Right now it sounds like all compression BPO's will simply be sold at "buy prices" regardless of their TE.

Consider about 2.5 days of research per BPO, times 4 BPO's (max slots in a Rorqual), times each and every type of ore and ice (60 BPO's) is about 600 days-worth of research. Even with four research slots going that's 150 days of research.

I'm not asking for a zillion isk/BPO, more asking for recognition of time invested that is TRULY being thrown away (unlike manufacturing BPO's which still retain SOME value).

Please keep it in mind.

Heya, if you were building from a t2 BPO in a POS, you will end up with a decrease in production, since you'll get 6% more instead of the nice 75% build time a POS provides. If I get all of this right, for large t2 productions in POS', it will mean a decrease in total amount of units produced per t2 bpo.

the word "overthinked" is why they have to dumb down the game.

bhat ims iz jus ah rednek whos aint gots ko skolin soz wats duz i ko.