Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hold your horses!

Is there some OTHER change that CCP has not yet revelaed that will make POSes dissapear from the game "en masse" that requires some rebalancing to the isotopes?! Something CCP will only reveal at fanfest perhaps?

Now, let's see here...where are POSes used the most....moon-mining and reactions maybe?

I also saw a new type of mining-frigate linked in-game, a greenish-looking variant of the Venture.

1+1=3 right?

Maybe ringmining for valuable minerals?! Find your R64:s in the ring-belts? ;-)

If the proposal will change after a post, then it has not been thought deeply enough. it is more like "what if..."

You want to make eve bigger and 0.0 be more self dependent, etc. Thats great. But it is the same as if you duplicate the price of the plane ticket. What happens? The poor guy can't afford it. The rich doesn't give a ****. If you downgrade the airplane speed, then the distance becomes more relevant.

Want to nerf power projection? Then say it openly and think a way so that NUMBERS is not the answer for everything.

So far I've been going through these and the thought that keeps occurring to me is this. Fuel bays should increase to match the increase in fuel requirements to complete a jump. Reducing the volume of isotopes seems to be half of the solution. Whether people carry more fuel in other parts of their ships can be revisited I'm sure. As far as the key to this being people keeping up the Ice demand because of POS fuels, why not just increase the isotope requirement for fuel blocks instead of going after capitals in this fashion? The idea that because people will use fewer isotopes because they'll use smaller towers so lets make it so that jump capable ships need more fuel to travel.... To quote a dinosaur from one of my children's favorite movies "I don't think this plan was thought through very well". This also does not address the issues of having ships that use fuels that are unavailable in their parts of space. Such as Any race other than the area that you live. So if you want to increase competition, I've seen suggestions for making the 0.0 belts larger, having them have a greater variety of ice (You've got the major type for that area of space, and then why wouldn't there be smaller amounts of all types in those areas? maybe you don't get the good stuff for 0.0 ice in an out of area belt but the stuff found in hi sec) for a given belt. I'll admit I may be missing something. But that's my first thought. At least increasing the requirements for fuel blocks would make some sort of sense with the changes coming from industry (factory or research POS module changes requiring more isotopes of whatever type to produce the happy glow lights that they need to run off of those pos's or whatever). This sounds like this should be a POS related change, not a Capital related change. And if you're going to go through all of that, why aren't Jump Freighters given the Ability to jump farther if you're going to nerf their fuel costs, at least you should give them some longer legs in the process. A little give with the take, as it were.

wow. when you guys announced the fighter changes and etc., i jokingly predicted you would next 'fix' projection by doubling fuel costs and changing their volume. i say jokingly predicted, because it was literally some ******** **** i thought up of on the fly to throw on the wall for lulz.

It probably doesn't, the bigger alliances out there can probably absorb the costs and some (if not most) usually do fuel repayment for alliance sponsored operations. Definitely makes it more expensive for them but its not as if they are struggling.

What it does it hit is the smaller members of the coalitions, renters and smaller independent alliances who need to run logistics potentially to areas like Branch, Cobalt Edge or some other far off land. I can also see it hitting the indy guys who build out in low sec (caps etc) who JF stuff around.

I know for the last few years CCP have said they want to try and push more indy out into Low and Null but buggering around with compression and fuel seems to be going the opposite way.

So, if im mining, i have 900BILLION units of zydrine, and megacyte, that i cant get rid of because you're about to increase the cost to move it to highsec, so my only affordable way is to find a wormhole to get it back to highsec cheap? F you ccp..... its been downhill since

This isnt going to do anything to large alliance power projection. Alliances that can replace titans like they are nothing, aren't going to care about a 50% increase in fuel costs. It will prevent small to mid size alliances from using caps or blops. Great change....

Naw.

What's going on is that the removal of slots in Research And Manufacturing (RAM) job is making it so you can get the same amount of POS work done with far fewer POS modules. This will lead to a reduction in the average size of RAM poses, as you just don't need to pay for as much CPU/grid as before. It will also lead to the removal of a number of these poses, as some may find existing station facilities to be "good enough" for their needs. Further removals will occur due to the nerfing of remote research and production at a POS from a locked down blueprint at a station in the system.

All of these lead to a drawdown in the amount of topes being consumed. The change being proposed here compensates for a portion of this drawdown.

They may have taken your lands, But you still have........"Your FREEEEDOOOOOOOOM"

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