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Ore compression array. Want to sell your ore to null, you will need one.

Perfect refine without grinding NPC standings.

AND, the 10%, I still think is huge. A reasonable sized corp should not have an issue turning billions of ISK worth of manufactured goods (not profit, gross) per month.

Once you are building at the POS, then you will want to be doing it from copies, so you get the alt-hell of kicking off copy jobs by the gazillions.

Yes, I know most people used their POS for slots, and those slots will now be unlimited in station. But, to say that a POS will have no purpose is a stretch.

While I'm sure you'd like to think this would be possible, this type of thing likely won't happen in the new system because of one variable... storage. The main different between stations and POS is that stations have infinite storage and POS do not. POS will not be conducive to the type of infinite manufacture that stations will be for this simple fact.

Shoot them?

Reading over a few posts, especially noticing the request of what is not producable at POSes right now, made me want to mention something else: Station Containers of all sort. They cannot be made at any POS array right now.

So making that manufacturable at POSes would be a great thing (i know that as we currently have BPOs of those locked down for the corp, but are unable to use them as the station has no production slots, and they cannot be produced at our remote POS).



As for "what could make POSes more useful":

Some sort of increased Corphangar Array that has more storage room and can be used to feed jobs at all POS arrays would also attract more players to use a POS for production. Currently you need to split the resources out into all arrays, need to keep in mind where you put what, whom of the corp guys belongs what materials - so having a more centralized place to have those things would be great. Like a bigger corporation hangar. Of if you want it to be really amazing, make it like the personal hangar array, where everyone has their own storage room - so no more mixing up the production materials with those of your corpmate who produced at the same array. As soon as you have several inventors, producers and so on, it gets messy qucikly at a POS. So anything that can help with that will be very welcome.



Something else that would benefit POS use in a huge way for corporations and "using it together" (but may be hard to implement in this short time), is some way of "securing" BPOs like the lockup feature we had so far at the stations. I assume there would need to be a special system for POSes to allow for rapid unlocking and moving - what may be way too much to get done in the time you still have. Just thought i'd mention it, as for our corp, locked down BPOs that are in use by all of us, are a big thing. I could imagine having some of the "cheaper" BPOs like ammunition prints and things like that at the POS.




That gets me to something related to that, as we may have to unlock and move a lot of our corp owned BPOs after the summer patch, how about streamlining this process as well? That they can be locked or unlocked in bulks?
As the one who has to do all this unlocking.. and later relocking (where available), i will for sure NOT be looking forward to that, as the current BPO locking system is totally HORRIBLE.
We really need a more up to date and user friendly locking and unlocking methode, that may also work on starbases at a later date. Klicking every single one... acknowledging it.. setting time.. and voting on it.. is just *ugh*.

you mention the stations individual tax rate. is standing with that corp going to affect this?

sorry if it has been asked before, did not see it answered.

Nope, the limit is how much space you have in the array... you will hit that long before you hit a character limit.

OK, seems that POS usage is about to dramatically change since current usage will be broken (workforce taxes vs fuel, force to have BP in there for use, no locks, including BPO at the time BPC not done yet). On another hand you seem to force people to use it with its ore compression capabilities since other solutions have been discarded in terms of profit. People doing hisec capital build (building in low but importing minerals from hisec) will consume all their time hauling ore between systems and will have to put them in POS instead of doing locally (I also suppose that the case will exist in nullsec even if there's more facilities to do that).

Moreover, with taxes + workforce costs, I assume you intend to make the people move regularly as the system will change between overcrowed state and empty, creating a sort of market of the systems, ... a market of markets. Do you realize that some people will be pissed of moving their stuff ? Handling the production and its dependencies is already a tedious work, if you intended to simplify it, you only improved the UI and the math, but the rest will increase in tedious things to do.

I'm not very optimistic atm for these update and look forward to a point release when you will see "silent people" come to the forum when they'll discover the changes.

You'll be "pissed off" at the new industry system?


Then don't do industry? Maybe it's not for you???

As I have said in another dev blog post the changes when applied as a whole make running a small industry corp much more difficult. Locked down BPO's need to be unlocked and moved to POS's (if your mad) or other systems and when you have maybe 400bil in BPO's it become a logistical mess.

We have taken the decision that as all of us have full time jobs we don't really need another . Our final POS will be down when the final batch is done and I think 15 accounts have been un-subbed leaving 3 maybe 5 active accounts between us. What we will do in Eve. if anything, remains to be seen. We are ISK heavy so its not as if we need to actually do anything at the last count we could buy over 100 plex's each before we dispose of any assets. But we see no reason to continue with hi-sec industry. We no longer need the accounts for building stuff they don't have any other useful skills and I think there will be glut or industry character for sale soon so they will be undervalued. Our BPO's will remain locked down in the corp hanger.

Your correct in that the changes will make things more expensive so as we anticipated such a move by CCP (have they ever made changes to make things cheaper?) so last week all market items and contracts have been terminated and we will remarket and factor in the cost increases at a future date.

We spend at least 40bil a month on plex, fuel, materials and sometimes double or triple that. In the scheme of things that a drop in the ocean when compared to large corps and alliance but I have seen at least 5 other POS's gone in the last week or so just from our system and they all belonged to small corps like ours. I have spoken to two of the corps and they don't see a future. Most will not leave Eve they will find something else to do, as we may do, but like us, it wont be hi-sec industry.

Hi Sec Industry. No Thanks. I already work for a living.

You are assuming that it's actually % in build cost and they didn't list % because positive ME levels are 1% steps. But actually are altering the effective ME level.
This is a language question and till it's clarified I'm taking worst case scenario.

Even if it is actually % then it still is another cumulative advantage to Null price to build items, which gives them even greater ability to destroy high sec industry via price wars.

Combined with their blatant 'We want to keep the balance between the areas the same as now' lie, I can't blame industrialists who are currently based in high sec for packing up their industrial operations. Based on the current figures, the maths looks very poor for any significant industry in high.