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This is a very good compromise so people with insane research times don't get too upset.

If you spent 7 months researching something before, you get 7 months worth of research time for that BPO in the new system. If the BPO in the new system caps at 3 weeks of research (rank 10) then the extra time is wasted, but you can't please everyone.

The issue here may be that the scaling gets a little out of hand at the high end: I'm not sure there's any gameplay benefit to having research times measured in decades for anything in-game. I think you should look at adjusting the curves or times for the high-end bpos (basically capital and above) if you want to fix this sort of problem. I think the problem more is that we are discussing a (base) research time of 21 years for ME9%. Your problem with the conversion is there - the endpoint is ludicrous - rather than the general principle of maintaining the same amount of waste.

If you switch to a 100 point system combined with copy speed improvements, it's not unthinkable to have high end bpos researching for a lot of the time and still realising benefits. Decades for the last 10 points is crazy though, agreed.

Makes little difference which one is implemented, a 100 level system would be more intuitive and simple though than a ten level system with 100% progress bar for each level.

I have less of an issue with saving a month doing it pre-patch: such is life, it is easy to get over that hump as a new player.

I do however understand the "saving 21 years" problem is less amenable to a "deal w/it" solution.

we're not saying make them less efficient we're saying make the research times before and after equal and possibly go to a 100 point system instead and increase the cutoff if we cant live with me10 being perfect.

All I was trying to do was convert old time to new time. Whether they floor() or round() I don't think it matters THAT much, as someone will be close to (and miss) the cutoff.

I still believe that 10 levels is much easier for players to work with. Debating the merits of an ME81 BPO versus an ME83 BPO is like playing .01 isk games with market bots.

I also think that the scaling perhaps could use some re-tuning in general, but that's independent of the debate.

Saving a month or two here or there may be a bigger deal than it seems. I, like a lot of industrialists, have a sizable batch or reasonably well researched BPOs. When you start adding them together, I and others like me aren't going to be handed a month or two of comparative free research time, we're going to be handed many, many month's of free time - years of free time.

Now if CCP wants to hand me a veteran advantage I'll happily take it but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to set the transition up that way.

My idea of having the research rank defined as

( research time / 6000 ) ^ 0.75

Solves this issue.

In EVE time is advancement. We can go down the road of questioning people's advancement choices. For example we could question the sanity of people who invest skill points in Specialized Weapon Skills at level V. Or we can acknowledge their efforts with a small bonus and move on. It is clear that some people would prefer to eliminate the efforts that others have made and avoid compensation. We could choose to acknowledge the effort to achieve the Specialized Weapon Skills by granting it some bonus, while at the same time devaluing those skills by nerfing the weapon type.

I am sorry we are talking about industry here so lets talk about the changes to the soon to be renamed Material Efficiency. The ability to reduce costs by 25% vs the ability to reduce labor costs on many run jobs by 25% (labor cost 5% x 0.75 = 1.25% for some production). The last level gets you around 0.25% cost benefit now.

Perhaps we are talking about standings, which for an industrialist now effect the market only?

Oh the current topic is research time, another quantity limited by game time purchased. In a number of cases that time will be completely disregarded (unlike the other examples).

My suggestion is to acknowledge the investment and effort made. Just think if this was skills, or removing T2 BPOs both long term investments of time and effort. Nerfing something generates less ill will then avoiding all acknowledgement.