Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Another change that punishes smaller groups for using capitals and won't really hurt big alliances with nearly unlimited resources.

This is a horrible change. Small entities will suffer the most from this and it will barely affect big alliances. This will not have an impact on power projection of massive capital fleets, it just hurts nullsec logistics and smaller entities.

small alliance guy checking in

can we get a slight slight reduction in the amount of fuel pos's use to compensate slightly for this? not only is the ice going to become more expensive meaning fuel is going to go up, but it's also going to be more expensive for the jita runs for the fuel. i only have/want 1 tower and it barely pays for itself as it is. the profitablity of moon goo is bad enough as it is.

also, for the record i dont think this is a good change.

Hi! Let's make Logistics, one of the most mind numbingly unrewarding yet necessary time sinks in Eve online 50% more expensive. This will "help" null sec industry and simultaneously "encourage" smaller entities to get involved in null.

Oh, and we're doing this for very good reasons that are supported by empirical evidence, not baseless conjecture, assumption, and speculation regarding a given market's predicted behavior.

This is clearly a very good idea.

the bolts are my two cents to it!

This is going to force a serious change in small corps staying in DEEP space. Too much cost to move out and work there long enough to start making money to stay already.

I applaud the effort to make deep space more self sufficent, but small corp's normally need to go to high sec often to purchase items they either can't build or do not have the skills infrastructure to create. I think this whole idea is poorly aimed. It would encourage people to move to deeper space if there was less barrier to entry not more. This whole game and many of the changes seem to favor larger alliances and not smaller groups.

This is my first post after 4 years of playing but this needs to be echoed so here I am: unless there's more evidence than supplied in your post, Fozzie, I fear this is an unpredictable at best and terrible at worst change to make this way.

My corpie and I ran the only real JF service for a renter corp in Paragon Soul for the better part of a year and a half. We ran loot/ABC/salvage/production out and we ran fuels, ships, materials, and ammo back in. We did it because we liked living out on the edge of nowhere, but I don't think in all that time we were ever really profitable on any level with those runs. The run to/from highsec to PS cost about 100 million isk round-trip at the time at market value for 'topes, and that was using the direct (& higher risk) route. For a small corp trying to make a go of Nullsec - which is what CCP is claiming to be all about boosting now - I don't see how requiring more fuel for these runs or in general making logistics more expensive or difficult is going to do anything but make it even harder for these groups to survive.

I don't think anyone can say what effect all the industry changes are *really* going to have on isotopes until it plays out. Let it play out - there's no rush on "saving the ice miners" over the next few months.

TL;DR: Please consider what many others in this thread have already said: hold off on fuel changes until you guys see how the market responds; the unintended consequences here may be significant.

FINALLY! I was waiting for this change for so long. Finally I'm able to spend more money on fuel! I was actually crying over my satisfaction.

Also, screw small alliances. No one cares.

Pretty much think CCP looking to be more than sufficient from our wallets.

My only thoughts opinion on this is I think that isotope consumption amount on capital class vessels needs to be looked at. Currently Carriers, Dreads, Supercarriers, and Titans use the same amount of isotopes per light year of jump. I would change this to account for the mass of the ships moving. I would use 1500 for carriers, 2000 for dreads, 3000 for Super carriers, and 5000 for titans. I think it should cost more per jump to move larger ships around then it does currently. Carriers fuel bay could stay the same. Dreads would need a slight increase to make up for the increase of fuel used as you are increasing from base 25% then 25% larger fuel bay would be 10k m3, supercarriers would also need a 10k M3 fuel bay. titans have a massive fuel bay currently so I do not know if this would need to be increased with my idea. I think this would help the game and also help with power projection as right now you can move any of the combat capitals with the same cost in fuel for greatly different massed ships.