EVE Information Portal

What I got from the dev post:

1) We're going to make manufacturing 10 times more complicated.

2) Everything is going to cost more, in a much more complicated way.

3) If you own a POS, you can go **** yourself.

you can't make titans in stations

I would like to point out, that, to make a copy--a single copy, of a covetor will cost 600k... and a max run (invention) will cost 6m. That's fine, i guess, but that's about 6 TIMES what they go for on contracts. We will adapt.

But, if it's 2% of the BPO cost, we're screwed. It's not, right? because then a covetor copy would cost 40m--more than the ship.

to make a single max-run copy of a modual (which is what we all do for inventing), we will be spending 600% of the production cost to do so? and with a ~50% success rate at inventon, that means about 12 moduals cost. for a thing like a 425mm rail, that's 24m isk, to make JUST the bpc for making 10 mods.

so a 425mm rail II would go from 3.5m to 5.9m ... a 170% price jump. This wouldnt even include the new production costs.

Looks to make a LOT of t2 mods 200% more expensive.

CCP, i hate to say it, but i think the modifier for the cost of making copies needs another zero. not 2% of mod cost, but .002.

Then do it slightly different. Two suggestions:

---

A) Your database can tell in finite time how many arrays are there that are
- of a specific type
- in a specific system
- owned by your corp or alliance
- online

Then you just say: all these arrays/labs somehow provide accomodations/workspace for your work force and the job cost is reduced by a factor that is determined by the number of your available labs (read: ex-slots) and the number of job hours your corp/ally is currently running.

If you want a POS farm with 38 labs in a system, fine.

---

B) Your database cannot tell to whom these structures belong, but it does at least know how many structures of a given type are there online in a given system.

Then the formula uses the total number of online arrays for cost reduction. This implies that you could "use" even enemy structures. To compensate, EVERYONE pays a tax, also at POSes.
All taxes go to a tax pool and every once in a while the server distributes the tax pool among all array/lab owners.

With this you could also have a "lab farm" just to collect taxes even when you are not running any jobs yourself at all.
POSes with a large number of arrays would have a similar role as POCOs have - you provide infrastructure.

Lorewise, this would mean by setting up labs or arrays you rather support the systemwide NPC work forces instead of one specific project.
In return you get some "rent" for their accomodations which is deducted from the systemwide tax pool.

Because CCP is saying repeatedly that important features that players care about will likely be broken when the change hits and this will be because they will not have the time to get them in to the release. Therefore the response is to wait until you don't break more than you fix.

OK, maybe B) may start a war or another, because Nonni and Malkalen only have 2 moons each...

But according to CCP bonuses from stations are system wide... so unless the station bonus for the build cost doesn't apply to the system then your point doesnt matter.

This is sad to hear. I feel you should put in some change to NPC 0.0. Right now anyone who does industry in 0.0 NPC is going to get shafted unless you make the stations there get a much higher multiplier due to the fact that stations are much more sparse in 0.0 NPC space.

Would it be possible for a simply fix to at least ensure 0.0 NPC can compete with low sec by tweaking the multipliers on the stations until a proper overhaul is in the works?

I know this dev blog is not about POS but this was an idea a few of us were talking about the other day when we learned that line numbers were being removed. Why couldn't the many types of assembly arrays be scrapped for a simpler and also more dynamic solution. Having only 3 types of assembly arrays a base, a TE one but use more resources , and a one that builds with a bonus to ME like 1%~5% not sure what would be a good number but at a much slower build time. This would make it so POS’s get a bonus for being at risk but also so there are down sides to using these processes.

From the link,



If I read that correctly and using their abaddon example, the price of of the blueprint would be 4 million isk. Using the0.15 multiplier it would be 600,000 isk. Then other multipliers would be factored in such as facility multipliers, etc.*

Also, based on this,



If you do the research at a Caldari outpost you'll get a 50% reduction on top of that too. So now the cost would be 50,000 isk. Again if I'm reading this correctly.