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Hmm that blog is a bit disappointing as i feel it still lacks a lot of information.

The example is for a high sec station, so what actually happens to or for POS owners? What sort of bonus or penalty are we looking for at there? What different makes it if we use several POS structures of the same type?

When it comes to laboratories, what will the benefit be of using a rare and special laboratory? (The "Hyasyoda Mobile Laboratory" comes to mind). Will POS users who invest in special buildings get a bonus? Will there be ME bonuses on production runs like on outposts?

If there is none of that, i feel that running and maintaining a POS may not be worthwile anymore, and POS owners get basically "shafted" and told to "move to the NPC stations, they can do all this, without needing fuel blocks, for the same manufacturing/install price".

Having a POS out there is a risk, there has always been a risk vs reward thing in EVE - so what is the reward for the POS users out there? What do they gain? Especially now that BPOs need to be brought there if you want to research them or upgrade them? So what "bone" can we expect for taking this risk?



So yes... this blog post has a huge lack of information.. or a huge missing part, where further information should be.

The DevBlog is a bit complex in its description, but if i got everything right, it sounds like a really awesome change.

Just one comment, not all stations in low-sec/high-sec have factory slots...you can put factory slots on every outpost through its upgrades.....but not in NPC stations.....these changes will make non-factory stations entirely useless....are you guys planning to add factory services to every station if the idea is to be able to "spread" the manufacturing load across the cluster?

Are there any plans to factor standings in as a modifier for fees and/or taxes?

Is the output pricing the same as used in the inventory? Because this is wildly wrong for t2 capital components, both too low or too high depending on which one.

I should hope so, it would only make sense.

I do like the idea of having multiple facilities at a POS reducing costs, that will be delightful if that works out.

seems like POS owners are been treated like mushrooms.

On top if the total build cost, like it says in the blog.

http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66057/1/full_pricing_formula_550.png

Several questions: hi-sec

1- how do we calculate base run cost in systems with no base ( in high sec ) , according to what I understood it s based on percentage of jobs to gloable jobs, in such case it s very low. Anyways further info would be great!

2- station with no factories, do they affect the base run cost calculation? And will we be able to place jobs in them

3- in POS there is different assembly arrays ( for ammo, for modules...) is the system staying as is? And how will the supposed extra bonus be calculated in this case? ( to get the extra bonus would I need to place 5 small ship arrays, or the different assembly arrays affect the bonus...)

4- so lowest hi sec sys is around 4% while highest null sec is 4% and how many tiers of +1 ME bonus is there in null sec manufacturing stations? Just trying to calculate the min-max cost difference

Thanks

The "output price" where the output is a blueprint is treated as being 2% of the value of whatever the blueprint produces. It's buried in a paragraph halfway down, that probably could've been clearer.



Not in the current plan for the initial release, no. We'd like to do it but there probably won't be time to get it in the first iteration.



As it happens, I have those numbers to hand :)

In the snapshot the examples are based on, 38.9% of hisec systems have no activity at all.

We're almost certainly going to introduce a minimum activity "cap" so prices don't become 0, but it's looking like being somewhere around 0.0001% of global activity.

In this snapshot, 754 of the 1212 hisec systems have any activity at all, and will be floored at the minimum activity cap, another 7 hisec systems have a non-zero amount of activity that's still below the cap. Another 127 systems are below 1% of build cost, 179 are between 1% and 2%, 187 between 2% and 3%, 110 between 3% and 4%, 74 between 4% and 5%, leaving the remaining 70 above 5%.



Some people will get lucky on offices; that's just the luck of the draw and we aren't planning on any "compensation" there. Generally though, the systems that are good for building after the change tended to be good for building before the change.

Low sec uses the same fee structure as hisec, yes. Well-positioned lowsec systems (eg near Jita) will, we expect, be less popular than nearby hisec systems, and thus cheaper. This doesn't require any special consideration.

The over-time bonus is just per job; two separate BPCs require two separate jobs.



Just out of interest, why? AFAIK this is the first solid info we've given on how the pricing will work, the first time we've mentioned nullsec at all, and there's a paragraph right at the top saying "we're not trying to change the hisec/nullsec balance". Where's the assumption we were going to incentivize nullsec coming from?



you didn't read closely, those are in there.



However, I'm fairly underwhelmed by the manufacturing slot replacement bonus. The reason is that it's exactly the same as the POS bonus: I can spend 60b on a station, or 300m on a pos. I think it's a little absurd that the absolute pinnacle of manufacturing you can aspire to, spend huge amounts of money to create, and have to defend gives you nothing better than a pos one jump from jita. And that's from a hyper-specialized factory: once you do that you've used up nearly all of your outpost upgrade slots and you've only got one tier 1 left (probably offices). I think that bonus should be increased slightly at the high end (i.e. a tier 2 or 3 upgrade should give 2%) or the bonus given to pos should be reduced somewhat.

While people will claim pos are at risk, they're not: pos assembly arrays don't drop anything from a build in progress. Entity alluded to his "20b pos" in another thread, where if it was attacked he'd lose 20b of manufacturing products. But the thing is, if I bothered to find it and kill it, I'd get none of that: the assembly arrays would act like they were empty since between the build being installed and delivered, they are. So nobody will bother attacking pos unless someone's really pissed them off: it'll be purely for griefing and not for profit.

I can't comment on the value of the research upgrade as I...